Re: Mendel refutes evolution

BROKEN LADDER wrote:

Free Lunch wrote:

First and foremost, you're going to learn something about me really
quickly. I don't just roll over when inarticulate people like you try
to assert that you are correct. If you say stupid things, I'm going to
call you on it, and I'm not going to agree with you when you're being
an idiot. So let's go over your idiotic schpiel one point at a time.

YOU DESCRIBED USENET AS THOUGH I WAS "USING" IT, WHEN YOU NOW SAY THAT
I AM INDEED USING GOOGLE GROUPS, AND USENET IS JUST A WAY TO ACCESS IT,

No, I am saying that you are accessing usenet through Google Groups.

No, you said several ambiguous and somewhat mutually contradictory
things about it. Some others explained it vastly better than you did.
Looking at wikipedia I was able to get a better sense of how it all
works. But your description was, in short, very poor.

JUST LIKE RSS. IN THAT CASE, I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO COMPLY WITH
YOUR OLD NEWS SYSTEM ANY MORE THAN I'M OBLIGED TO COMPLY WITH THE
LIMITATIONS OF RSS. GOOGLE GROUPS IS A WEB BASED FORUM SYSTEM, WITH
SUPPORT FOR RSS AND NNTP, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. I SAY THE

No, that is not what I told you.

I said "based on what you're telling me". Your wording was ambiguous
and poor, and this was the best I could surmise from it. You certainly
don't want to admit that though, I understand.

PREFERRED WAY OF USING GOOGLE GROUPS IS THROUGH AN EVEN BETTER
PROTOCOL...HTTP.

But that is why you are having such a problem fitting in here. You are
the newbie, but you are insisting that you are better informed, while
proving that you have no idea what you are talking about. Are you a
Young Earth Creationist?

And I would say that _you_ have no idea what you are talking about.
You know more about Usenet, but certainly can't describe it very well.

As for being a YEC, I think I've clearly answered that question. I
protested at a church for the love of god. I'm a rabidly militant
atheist. I believe Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Does that
clear up things for you?

YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT FROM ME THERE. BUT GOOGLE GROUPS IS NOT NEWS,
IT'S DISCUSSION. RADICALLY DIFFERENT IN THAT THERE IS HIERARCHICAL
PLACEMENT.

You are mistaken. Google Groups collects the discussions on usenet and
provides a poor interface for those who use http.

You're not arguing anything I said in this paragraph! I didn't deny
anything about Usenet. You called it news, and I said it's a
discussion, not "news", hence a flat presentation isn't good. Here you
call me mistaken, but then _agree_ with me, saying that GG collects
"discussions"! Get it together.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THIS "SCROLLING". A READER THAT
UNDERSTANDS A HIERARCHY WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. FOR INSTANCE, WITH
THE GG INTERFACE, I SEE THE TREE STRUCTURE, AND UNREAD POSTS ARE BOLD.
I DON'T HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH ANYTHING, I JUST CLICK ON THE POST.

Yes, you don't understand because you don't have any idea what you are
comparing this to or how newsreaders are different.

Wow...you don't get it. I'm saying GG _has_ a hierarchical view, like
the thread pane in a news reader. I've used news readers, and I don't
see what interface issues you have with GG. Of course, you can't
discuss them or make your point, so you just assert that I don't
understand, when obviously what I meant was that you aren't makin
sense.

Yes, Google Groups is almost as usable as it was when it was Deja News
before Google bought it.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY ARE SO SLOW TO UPDATE THEIR PRODUCTS, AND HOW
THEY LIKE TO LEAVE THEM IN BETA FOR EONS.

Yet you are the one who ignorantly insisted that the way you were doing
it was right.

I did so from the point of view of thinking that GG was an online
forum, and not knowing that it was complying with an archaic Usenet
standard. I do admit my mistake on this one.

Newsreaders work much better than Google Groups, but they work
differently.

BY DIFFERENTLY, I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDED FEATURES LIKE
SAVING AND SUCH. THE ACTUAL "INTERFACE" OF GOOGLE TALK DOESN'T HAVE
ANY FLAWS THAT I CAN TELL. IT'S JUST A TREE VIEW AND YOU CLICK ON THE
POST AND YOU ARE TAKEN TO IT. HOW COULD YOU MAKE THAT ANY BETTER?

Your lack of understanding of the process shows.

I completely understand it. You're trying to say there are interface
issues, when the interaface is functionally equivalent to that of most
news readers. Your problem is with features. Don't confuse interface
with features.

Since you are the one using the nonstandard interface, it is not for
you to be giving instructions to everyone else on how they should
accommodate you.

NO I'M NOT, YOU ARE. I'M USING GOOGLE GROUPS VIA GOOGLE GROUPS.

You can shout that all you want, but it won't make it true. You are
doing a really good job of imitating a homeschooled ninth grader who is
finally being allowed to 'prove' that evolution is false by his
fundamentalist parents.

Lovely ad hominem. Actually I wasn't shouting. I usually use all caps
because lowercase letters are superfluous and ugly. But I'm trying to
cater at least somewhat to others when I right longer messages like
this.

Don't compare me to any type of creationist, because I've spent my
whole life debating them. I grew up in rural Kansas, and I can't tell
you how many times I was the second grade kid arguing about what I read
in some Sagan book against a room full of fundies, and a teacher who
was taking their side.

Ta ta...it's been lovely...


Clay. How does someone get through a computer engineering degree course
without learning anything about nntp, or Usenet? Why are you going to
Wikipedia to learn about the topic?

--
Robin Levett
rlevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)

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