Re: Being Objective

Glenn wrote:
Steven J. wrote:

Glenn wrote:

Steven J. wrote:

Glenn wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=947794&dopt=Abstract

"It is concluded that the ancient fibrinogen molecule was

composed

of
all identical chains and that its differentiation into three

chain

types occurred long before the divergence of lampreys and higher
vertebrates."



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16481395&dopt=Citation

"The paralog distribution suggests that the eukaryotic

cenancestor

possessed nearly all kinesin families."



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11324016&dopt=Abstract

"Therefore, the origin of Hox genes and ParaHox genes occurred
prior
to the evolutionary split between the Cnidaria and the Bilateria
and
predated the evolution of the anterior-posterior axis of

bilaterian

animals."

Have these assumptions changed?


Which assumptions do you have in mind?

The ones above, dude.

I do not think that the assumptions on which these conclusions

were

based have changed: that methods used in determining which
manuscripts
were copied (with modifications) from the same (lost) originals

can

be
used to determine which species are descended (with modifications)
from the same (no longer extant) common ancestors, and that the
consistent nested hierarchy of (in this case) biochemical

homologies

support common descent of all animals.


The conclusions were assumptions, dude. Is there some foundational
problem with evolutionists answering a question directly?


"It is concluded that," "... suggests that...," and "Therefore..."

are

not the sort of verbal tags normally associated with assumptions.

If,

e.g. the authors of the second article had found that some kinesin
families were found only in, e.g. plants, and others only in animals
and fungi, and still others only in certain protists, they would
inferred that the last common ancestor of eukaryotes probably did

not

possess all the modern kinesin families (although, presumably, they
would have *assumed* that it possessed proteins ancestral to those
families).

Common ancestry is assumed in all three papers, but the specific
details of evolutionary history with which the papers deal are not
assumed; they are inferred from and supported by evidence (given the
assumption of common descent). Note that common descent is not
"assumed" arbitrarily, anymore than physicists "assume" that atoms
exist rather than reexamine that conclusion every time they do a

new

experiment concerning the structure of matter.

Is there some foundational problem associated with creationists

and/or

yourself, that you expect a direct answer to a question founded on
grossly mistaken premises?


My "grossly mistaken" premise, of course, being that I assumed that
you would understand the question as being directed toward specific
claims, right? Steven, honestly, I can't see any significant
difference between your logic and that of many other lunatics here. I
didn't question common ancestry in the question, and in case you don't
realize, inferences are assumptions. The specific details I asked
about are assumptions. If you preferred to use "conclusions" or
"inferences", then you could have as easily, and *should have*,
responded to what you admit recognizing, "specific details". There is
no need to go into quantum theory, or include "atoms" in your answer.
If you wish to talk to yourself, the proper place would be by
yourself.


Inferences and conclusions are NOT ASSUMPTIONS.
Klaus





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