Re: Everyone look, NashtOn has stepped in it again! Was: Re: Sexes


Windy wrote:
NashtOn wrote:
Of course, what would be even more useful is the kind of data derived
from observing C react with O2 in order to obtain CO2.
Have we observed Species A morph into species B.Does species B have a
more complex CNS? *That's* the kind of data I want.

Yes. We have observed Spartina maritima "react" with Spartina
alterniflora to form a new species, Spartina anglica (common
cordgrass). It is more complex in that it has a more complex genome
(allotetraploid) and has a characteristic not found in the parent
species (very invasive species).

If you have doubts about how S. anglica originated, you can try to
repeat it by crossing the two species and seeing if you obtain a
similar genome. BTW, repeatability means that the one who doubts the
results may try to repeat them, not that the original discoverers must
do the repeating for you, while you sit on your lazy ass.

So,since you're such a hard working soul, tell us, did you perform these
experiments?

Surprise, surprise! No comments on the actual evidence!

I don't have to repeat the experiments, because I agree with the
conclusions. But if you gave me enough money and asked nicely, I might
do it for you.

Where is the observational data for evolution? Can you show me a time
lapsed motion picture of an organism morphing from on species into another?

Can you show me a time lapsed motion picture of Latin morphing into the
Romance languages, with all the intermediates? No? I guess it didn't
happen, then.

Erm, no, but there happen to be many books in the original Latin or
Greek,so the transition is easy to see.

You mean COPIES of books in the original languages? How many actual
papyrus scrolls dating from Roman times have you read (Hint: they
didn't have 'books' or 'paper' as we know it)? How do you know they are
correctly dated and not fakes? Can you show me ALL the intermediates?
How do you know these languages derive from a common ancestor when no
one has a recording of actual ancient Romans speaking? Do you believe
Indo-European languages derive from a common ancestor although no
'books' in said language exist? Are the transitions between languages
repeatable?

So transitions between languages are "easy to see", plain as day, even
without time-lapse photography or Roman tape recorders, because in this
matter you are happy to trust the (inaccurate) historical data. You
think transitions between fossils are not "easy to see", so you demand
they are repeated and filmed for your convenience. Is there perhaps
some tiny weeny bias at work here?

Did you read my original post? I was asking about evidence of one
species becoming more complex *neurologically*, not about grass.

No, you didn't, liar. This thread was about origins of _sex_ and you
proceeded to ask questions about origins of species. If you mean this
bit:

(I mean to the complexity of Humans-please, don't play epistemology with me,
you know what I mean).

You said nothing about neurology specifically. If you can't understand
simple examples like grass, don't demand moronic things like repeating
the evolution of humans and making a time-lapse motion picture of it.

It's another one of those "goal posts on wheels" moments.

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