Re: the meaning of the holocaust for scientists

In message <1141361010.788482.295650@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Feigning ignorance about the fact that atheists and theists are
mortal enemies except here at Talk Origins.

I've said this before, Ray, and no doubt I'll have to say it again: I
am not the mortal enemy of any theists, even you. I think you are a
liar and a bigot, but I wouldn't try to terminate your existance even
if I had the option. But that's because I'm an uncivilised and amoral
atheist. I have no doubt that you would terminate my existance if you
could do it without risk, but you are a civilised and moral christian,
so it's OK.

As far as other theists on T.O. are concerned, some of them I respect
and some I don't. The issue isn't whether they are theists or not, it's
whether they are capable of behaving in a reasonable fashion during a
discussion or not. Some of the theists are, even some of those with a
creationist bent (although they are unfortunately rare). Most of the
creationist theists, however, rapidly reveal themselves to be not only
ignorant (which is a treatable condition) but unwilling to listen to
anything which may alleviate that ignorance (which isn't). For the
creationist who wilfully posts the same lie week after week, despite
having been called on it several times, I have nothing but contempt -
they have ceased being honestly ignorant, and have become liars.

You, unfortunately, fall into this latter category.

Again, we have, in this case, an atheist, who has the ability to
follow and understand complicated scientific arguments, yet all of a
sudden the basic objective fact of opposing worldviews is baffling.

What is obvious is that the atheists here at Talk Origins need the
"theists" because they have no answer to: ToE = atheist philosophy
packaged as evidence. Conversely the "theists" are only as such in
title after they open their mouth.

The problem, Ray, is that stating that ToE is an atheist philosophy
doesn't make it so. And even if it _is_ so, it doesn't make ToE wrong.

And here we come to the crux of the problem that creationists all seem
to have with science (although they will all lie and claim that it is
only evolutionary biology they reject) - as far as the science is
concerned it simply doesn't matter whether someone is an atheist, a
monotheist, a polytheist or an animist, nor does it matter whether
someone is a nice person, or the reincarnation of Attila the Hun and a
fully paid up member of the Nazi Party. The only thing that science
cares about is whether that scientists experiments are repeatable and
whether his hypothesis explains the evidence.

Why ?

Answer: Because the "theists" here at Talk Origins are no
different in their beliefs than atheist beliefs = not a matter of
opinion one group is not genuine. If the theists here at T.O.
were true theists then the atheists would never support them =
axiomatic truth.

Silly boy. There's no logical need for Christians to be ignorant or
irrational. Sure, their *theology is non-rational, but so is my
preference for swing over country western; it's not a fit subject
for science.


Notice the two comments are non-sequitur caused by the initial
invulnerable logic.

Notice Ray's inability to understand the posters point, so he assumes
it is a non-sequiteur.

Notice also that Ray claims that his logic is "invulnerable". It's
about as invulnerable as Achilles' heel.


This now brings me to the real point: If both THESE groups of
atheists and "theists" are willing to deny (lie) that atheists
and theists are mortal enemies then just think what they do with
the complicated things of science ?


Right. We might stay rational. We might find reconciliation between
facts in a model which explains them all. We might go out for
espresso later, or a drink. Once two groups who disagree in
something start behaving civilly to each other, who knows where it
might end? We might even end up with a sane world. <gasp!> Could be
the end to war as we know it, or worse - the excuse certain sects
need to feel persecuted


Evasion of very uncomfortable axiomatic point: Theists and Atheists
who agree on origins = one aint as such.

And in English, please?

If Darwinism was anything about
supporting the existence of God then atheists would not have anything
to do with it.

Of course it's not about supporting the existence of god, it's about
the wide diversity of life.

In case you'd missed it, Ray, the Theory of Gravity isn't about
supporting the existence of god, nor is the Atomic Theory, nor is the
Heliocentric Theory.

The "theists" in question are ACLU/atheist ass kissing/sperm buckets.
Puppets who drag Genesis into their rape/courtrooms and hold her down
for the dirty work. The ugly metaphoric truth is realized in the
fact that most will be more upset with the metaphor rather than the
rape of the Bible by "theists".

Actually, I'm more upset by this glimpse into the disgusting cesspit
that is your mind than the metaphor. You need help, and quickly.

After my paper is released these same theists will want to return to
being atheist.

And there was me thinking that this much-vaunted paper (originally
promised in November, wasn't it? then December? when's it due now,
Ray?) was intended to "destroy evolution". It seems that Ray's plans
have changed, and all he really wants to do is to disgust theists so
much that they renounce their faith rather than risk being tarred with
the same brush as Ray.

--
Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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