Re: the meaning of the holocaust for scientists

On 2 Mar 2006 11:26:48 -0800, in talk.origins
"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Ken Rode wrote:
Ray Martinez wrote:

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The post is typical Dana: ACLU.

We both know Dana is a pathological liar. He claims to be a Christian.
Everything he says exposes himself not to be as such.

Ray, I get so confused trying to keep up with your "psychology". Is is
these qualities above of which you are most guilty: pathological liar,
claims to be Christian, not such?

My real intent is
the atheists here at T.O. They are not stupid, they know Dana is just
trying to misrepresent the enemy - this is why they never call him on
his obvious lies. If Dana was a real Christian he would be treated like
me. Atheists and theists are mortal enemies. Here at T.O. they are cozy
= one is not as such.

Mortal enemies, Ray? This theme of yours again -- your need to be hated.
How incredibly childish. Please don't project your need to be the
subject of hate and disgust onto other people.


Here we have an atheist unwilling to acknowledge a self-evident
undisputed fact: atheists and theists are mortal enemies.

Why ?

My guess: Because he's going to make something up that has nothing to do
with anything under discussion.

Answer: Because the "theists" here at Talk Origins are no different in
their beliefs than atheist beliefs = not a matter of opinion one group
is not genuine. If the theists here at T.O. were true theists then the
atheists would never support them = axiomatic truth.

That is quite the silly assertion. I would strongly suggest that you
take a class in critical thinking or logic. Your education in that area
has been profoundly remiss.

This now brings me to the real point: If both THESE groups of atheists
and "theists" are willing to deny (lie) that atheists and theists are
mortal enemies then just think what they do with the complicated things
of science ?

Let's start with the problem that you don't understand what a 'mortal
enemy' is.

Ray, did it never occur to you that you get the reaction that you do not
because you're a "Christian", but for some other reason? You are not
ridiculed because you are a Christian. You are ridiculed because your
capacity for logic and reason seems severely underdeveloped, and you
seem to revel in that.


What is written above continues to deny and defend atheist/"theist"
sweetheart relationship here at Talk Origins Usenet. The commentary
defends the sweetheart relationship via special pleading the mortal
enemy status of atheists and theists to be suspended here at Talk
Origins. I agree the mortal enemy status is "suspended", not because it
is not true, but because one group is not as such.

Just because you make an assertion, that does not make it true. You have
neither logic nor evidence to support your claim.

The atheist who wrote the above commentary recognizes the "enigma" that
I observe is a matter of logic, but he simply denies while not even
attempting to show the illogic with an argument. This failure is caused
by the fact that there can be no argument showing the "illogic" of
pointing out atheist/theist agreement means one is not as such.

That explanation was incomprehensible, yet wrong.

My hook is in Dana's jaw, this is why he follows me around and
stalker-posts. Dana is inflamed with the truth and the only way he can
obtain any satisfaction is put on sheeps clothing while arguing
standard atheistic nonsense. The real issue is: Why do atheists never
stand their own ground by saying ToE is supported by theists ? Answer:
Because ToE is atheist philosophy otherwise and falsified: they NEED
"theists."

See, here's a good example where your "logic" completely flies apart.
You make it seem that "athiest philosophy" is so weak even to athiests
that they recognize a necessity to have it bolstered from the theist
realm. That is complete idiocy, and simply shows an inability on your
part to even begin to understand people who have different beliefs than
you do.

Read what the atheist above said:

1. Repeated illogic charge while offering no counter logic or argument.

You're being too vague here. How about some specifics.

2. Repeated my charge that atheists here at Talk Origins cede to theist
support instead of just saying, "Yeah, the evidence supports our
worldview."

Where?

3. Ended commentary with insult = inability to refute.

No, sometimes insults come because dealing with you is frustrating after
you have been refuted but refuse to acknowledge it.

WHERE can anyone show that one atheist here at Talk Origins ever said #
2 above ?

They don't because: They know they need "theists" or Darwinism is
atheist philosophy. It is a recognition that they are subordinate to
theists and they have no evidence to support the validity of their
worldview.

Nonsense. Your claim show a lack of understanding of the difference
between _science_ and _theology_. If you cannot understand or accept
that difference, that is not the problem of those who do.

With this said: all objective persons know these "theists" are not real
theists, but theists who argue atheist philosophy = the theist claim is
simply a recognition that atheism by itself is unsupportable,
untenable, and the epitome of dogmatism.

More false claims. Just because the vast majority of theists in the
world reject your particular brand of theism, that does not make them
atheists, unless you can show that you are God or that you know exactly
what God wants and that they do not.

By sacrificing what Darwin accomplished for the sole intent of
attempting to obtain revenge upon Creationists, Darwinists today have
silently admitted ToE is nonsense without a Deity. This need (evolution
created by Deity) is subjective and sourceless. The only source for
Deity says He created reality the way Genesis says He did: sudden
miracle.

This is even sillier. Now you just string words together without any
regard for the actual facts.

Logically, your hatred of true Christians has backfired, negating all
your perceived gains, and entrapped you into giving up on believing
that nature produced itself without any help from God. Darwin would be
appalled. He lived the last quarter of his life as a staunch atheist
based upon the evidence. We historians know this is a undisputed fact.

It doesn't matter to me. Following your assertions, you cannot possibly
be a true Christian, so disagreeing with you says nothing about
Christianity.

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