Re: Speculative Design Hypothesis (with predictions) 2nd draft
- From: Wall Of Sleep <Sabotage@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:41:27 GMT
Radix2 wrote:
Wall Of Sleep wrote:
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DNA has the elements of language - it's especially similar to a
computer programming language.
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Could you not also say that Chemistry has the elements of language,
specifically it has letters (elements), words (molecules), a grammar
(bonds) and even a context (energy input/environment)? With this being
asserted as being evidence of a designer (as "all languages are
intelligently designed"), then surely all crystals would also be
designed because they have:
A) complexity and;
B) a descriptive "language" underlying their form.
Using your rules, is this a fair adaptation of your thesis or is it
just the result of anthropomorphism or our basic way of decribing
things?
Now, what of mathematics? It too has letters (symbols/numbers), words
(equations), grammar (logic) and a context (thesis)?
How does any of this actually help us. What predictive power have you
added to the understanding of these subjects? In fact, you have just
complicated the understanding, because now we have to introduce a new
language to help in our study of the designer. Will this too be proof
of a further designer? Because it too will have the elements you state
as evidence, and if it is a descriptive language, then it must have
been inbuilt into creation and therefore is proof of a higher designer
whom we would also like to study.
#DIV0 - System halted
Yes, chemistry and mathematics can be described in terms of "language"
as well. But what do they say? That is the question. DNA has complex
specified information (CSI) content. It is a complex specified
*arrangement* of chemical bonds that produces an outcome.
In any language - letters, words, phrases, and grammar can be arbitrary
or they can be specified. If these are randomly arranged, there is
little or no meaning. If there is meaning, we generally infer design.
The greater the amount of CSI, the less likely the arrangement was random.
It's not chemistry and mathematics that must fit this description, it's
what they produce. I can type this example; 1+1=3. Is this right? Does
it code for anything? Does it have meaning? It uses the "language" of
mathematics, but it has no real value. If we were to discover a random
series of mathematical symbols, it might very well contain this
"phrase". However, if we were to discover the "times tables" from 1 to
12, in order, with no mistakes, would we infer randomness or design?
It's my contention that the CSI of the times tables would force us to
infer design.
The DNA of even the simplest lifeform contains much more CSI than the
times tables.
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