Re: Out Of Africa Or Eternity?
- From: "bodrules" <bodrules@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 21 Feb 2006 09:53:50 -0800
"When one observes the beauty and design of life on earth, and
reflects on the balance and harmony in our galaxy and in nature, they
can't help but to acknowledge that it all seems pretty well
organized."
Aside from the odd dinosaur killer dropping in to ruin the party, or
thermal maxima trashing ecosystems globally, or those wretched ice ages
which have scrapped Northern Europe down to its bedrock on n^n
occasions.
"How are we to discern whether or not it was designed by a
creator?"
By using our brains to formulate ideas that explain the data, rather
than getting the data to fit a preconceived idea.
"What evidence would be relevant as discerning criteria of an
intelligent designer? What evidence would you expect to observe had it
been from a creator?"
Bar codes, copyright statements or at least a manufacturing label, as
after all it would be something to brag about.
"These are a few questions I'll address in this post."
Cor a cretinist is going to explain some stuff, that'll be a first.
<snip emotive claptrap>
"I submit to you that we find DISTINCT creatures in a well balanced
system of life."
As the puddle says - I must be special as I fit this hole exactly,
therefore I'm favoured above all things.....
"And l though it appears, at least from hindsight, that the balance
is flawed in terms of order due to the life/death aspect of such
balance, flawed that is, in terms of perfected life balance without the
death or disease aspect, we must put that aside and reason it out
further with other discerning criteria."
So its nothing to do with entropy is it, nah why let reality bite you
on the arse.
"But for now, we see a amazing balance in our galaxy, solar system,
and earth's ecosystem as well as between all three. We then see that
balance in nature which keeps in check, all of life on earth, each and
every DISTINCT species."
Well there isn't any checks so far on the actions of one species, and
guess what its doing to the global environment? (Hint you may not want
to invest too heavily in the Maldives for instance). Besides, what
about the volcanism that coupled with the impact of large asteroid thus
helping to polish off most dinosaurian taxa? Hardly an example of
stasis, or did this pluripotent creator get bored after 225my of
dinosaur evolution and decide to start the whole thing off again?
"Few would reasonably argue against the Catholic God as that
source."
Er Buddhists, Shintoists, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Jews may have a word
two on that subject, in other words how parochial and evidence of
ossified thinking.
"Now. Let's take into consideration all of the attributes and
revealed essences of that God before science and the ability to
microscopically analyze the evidence existed."
Boy, whoever wrote this article needs to take some remedial lessons in
sentence construction and logic.
<snip irrelevant drivel>
"A revealed essence of the very same ethics or actions willed for the
stewarts of this creation, mankind"
Stewarts? What have they got to do with anything, their claim to the
throne was finished at Culloden in 1745.
"This about sums up the would-be creator. One word Jesus."
Heretic! You are in serious doctrinal error, Jesus was but the Son of
God, whilst God created the universe. Perhaps we should put you to the
Inquisition.
<snip more unsubstantiated hyperbole>
And yes, it appears that all of advanced lifeforms did indeed come out
of Africa, or Asia over the equivalent of hundreds of millions of
years.
So what about those taxa that don't originate from their? Marsupials
anyone.
"Exactly what you would expect from an eternal creator."
Or what you'd expect from descent from a common ancestor.
"Now let's assume that the first six days mentioned in genesis,
before sin, involved eternal days, days indeterminable by fallen man's
shortened days. Where the bible says a day is like a thousand years to
God or vice versa, so too, perhaps, was a day in eden equivalent to
ages."
Ahh more hand waving a yelling of "Goddidit", essentially a
circular argument and therefore un-testable.
"In keeping an open mind without a rush to judgement on genesis, we
can see the plausibility of intelligent design of our galaxy, solar
system, and the constants used to sustain them for such lengthy periods
as well as the constant environment enabling the evolution/generation
of life over such timeperiods."
So, what about the dinosaurs or the Permian Mass Extinction or the
extinction of the ice age mega fauna at the start of the latest
interglacial?
"We see, however, a different scenario if we incorporate the
original sin or rejection of cooperation of perfected order mentioned
by the most qualified deity who claims to be the creator or designor.
We would've seen a completely different world, different seasonal
cycles, and ever expanding universe due to eternal creation without
DEATH, and in fact, we would see this very same creator today,
everyday, in our eternal habitations of this perfect scenario which was
the first six days of eden. "
Sin? What's that got to do with physical processes? Do you know
anything about entropy? In an ever expanding universe the only outcome
is maximum entropy and the universe cooling into darkness.
"No longer are they evolving or being generated, they are distinct
and telling."
They are evolving, how do you think wheat arose?
<snip>
"We also must consider the revealed food chain before that fall. The
qualifying source declared early on in Genesis that "all vegetations
and plants yielding seed" was food for humans and animals alike. Only
after the fall, did that wording change to flesh. As we observe life on
this planet, we see a wonderful array of that food chain of vegetation
for man and animals. Fruits and vegetation well designed for the
consumption and nourishment of humans and animals alike."
Or more prosaically animals have adapted their biochemistries to digest
said materials - indeed the whole fruit business is a classic case of
plants adapting their seed dispersal mechanisms to take advantage of
omnivorous and herbivorous animals.
"Beautiful and delicious plants yielding health beneficial fruits for
more advanced or chosen lifeforms."
Where do leaf miners fit into this? Or parasitic fungi?
"What clearer evidence of intended design is there than a banana to
be peeled, or a cherry or apple to be picked off a tree? A vast array
of edible foods growing from the ground. How convenient!"
Yes, strange how animals, who require nutrient input have anatomy,
physiology and biochemistries adapted to exploit those resources. I
mean in no way would colour vision provide a selective advantage to a
fruit eating species.
"Man and all of the endproduct lifeforms were generated out of
eternity and dispersed out of Africa and Asia into all the earth. Had
man not fallen, the size of this universe and it's xpansion, would've
housed this eternal creation forever and ever."
What about the dinosaurs then, they had a global dispersion ditto the
ice age mega fauna?
"But fallen man attributes this view of earth from the satellite, to
a chaotic cause. It's view of chemicals or ingredients for life in this
particular galaxy as a result of a still more chaotic causes. It's view
of living organisms yet still from even more chaotic causes. Then it's
view of advanced life as some type of acquired ability. Acquired from
what, chaos? No way! Anyway, going way back, ultimately, the equation
gets more difficult the larger the chaotic source."
The clearest evidence that the author does not understand probability.
.
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