Re: Out Of Africa Or Eternity?



Gerard wrote:

When one observes the beauty and design of life on earth, and reflects
on the balance and harmony in our galaxy and in nature, they can't help
but to acknowledge that it all seems pretty well organized.

How are we to discern whether or not it was designed by a creator? What
evidence would be relevant as discerning criteria of an intelligent
designor? What evidence would you expect to observe had it been from a
creator? These are a few questions I'll address in this post.

Let's first capture that one small moment in earth's history when we
were able to take a microscopic view of all of life's processes and the
every workings behind or within life's organisms, as well as observe
our universe and earth from the far out reaches of space.
That moment is right now. Right now, at this moment in what appears to
be a very very lengthy timeperiod initiating the creation of this
universe, and perhaps even life on earth, we can observe every nook and
cranny of the universe and created elements, as well as the cellular
functions of life systems on earth. And what do we find at this "One
moment in time"?
I submit to you that we find DISTINCT creatures in a well balanced
system of life. And although it appears, at least from hindsight, that
the balance is flawed in terms of order due to the life/death aspect of
such balance, flawed that is, in terms of perfected life balance
without the death or disease aspect, we must put that aside and reason
it out further with other discerning criteria. That criteria falls
under a notion or suggestion of theology, IF one is to qualify such a
suggestion or theory as plausible. But for now, we see a amazing
balance in our galaxy, solar system, and earth's ecosystem as well as
between all three. We then see that balance in nature which keeps in
check, all of life on earth, each and every DISTINCT species.

Let's go to another aspect of discernment before we apply some logic.
Let's first unite the factors of design and order with the REVEALED
theology which clearly qualifies as the sole source of a claim from a
divine creator or intelligent designor. Few would reasonably argue
against the Catholic God as that source. Now. Let's take into
consideration all of the attributes and revealed essences of that God
before science and the ability to microscopically analyze the evidence
existed. An eternal creator of time, space, matter, which bypasses or
transcends all of the created laws of this universe. A creator who
willed our cooperation in a LIFE BALANCE, a system of behavior which
works for the common good of all of life. A revealed essence of the
very same ethics or actions willed for the stewarts of this creation,
mankind. This about sums up the would-be creator. One word, Jesus.

Now we have an explanation of why there's a seemingly imperfect
balance, in terms of omniscient and just. Whereby infinite and goodness
created limited and bad, to some degree. It's that the stewarts of the
earth rejected that essence of God and changed the infinite order, to a
temporary and imperfect order, but order nonetheless. Also, let's
consider that the lifeforms emergence into this created world would
most probably reflect their source. And yes, it appears that all of
advanced lifeforms did indeed come out of Africa, or Asia over the
equivalent of hundreds of millions of years. Exactly what you would
expect from an eternal creator. Life established through eons and eons.
Endproduct lifeforms merited through a virtually eternal timespan, or
at least billions of years of universal time passage. Now wouldn't that
be telling of an eternal being who generated life from eternity?
Wouldn't time ripen or perfect creation, especially if the very essence
of the creator is eternal or timeless? Clearly yes.

Now let's assume that the first six days mentioned in genesis, before
sin, involved eternal days, days indeterminable by fallen man's
shortened days. Where the bible says a day is like a thousand years to
God or vice versa, so too, perhaps, was a day in eden equivalent to
ages. The sunrise and sunsets of the first six days in eden could have
been timed whereby hours were centuries, minutes represented seasons.
Or better still, let's assume that the genesis story was somewhat
analytical yet with the reality of Adam and Eve being the first CHOSEN
or merited souls entrusted to this eternal creation, this eternal
order. And the free will to respond or reject their role, our role.
That God used many eons to lead up to the Eden endproduct species and
the first two living souls entrusted to the highest evolved/created
species. Let's be open to alternative possibilities which allow us to
accept Moses' genesis story as just a summary or declaration that GOD
CREATED LIFE.

In keeping an open mind without a rush to judgement on genesis, we can
see the plausibility of intelligent design of our galaxy, solar system,
and the constants used to sustain them for such lengthy periods as well
as the constant environment enabling the evolution/generation of life
over such timeperiods. We see, however, a different scenario if we
incorporate the original sin or rejection of cooperation of perfected
order mentioned by the most qualified deity who claims to be the
creator or designor. We would've seen a completely different world,
different seasonal cycles, and ever expanding universe due to eternal
creation without DEATH, and in fact, we would see this very same
creator today, everyday, in our eternal habitations of this perfect
scenario which was the first six days of eden.

The evidence is contaminated. We can't see the perfected evidence as it
would be reflected had the qualified God revealed, will be done from
the outset. But we can see the clearly distinctive artistry and
intended design in the fully created or molded creatures on earth. No
longer are they evolving or being generated, they are distinct and
telling. So much do they declare an intelligent designor, as does our
very timely ability to observe this universe, and yes even
intellectually debate the topic in the first place. We and the creation
around us are the evidence of creation by an intelligent designor. This
is true indeed, if it is by way of advanced intelligence, we seek that
sophisticated cause and origins of our existence, and yield many
intelligent or ORDERLY means of harnassing information and
sophisticated means in which to carry out intense endeavors of
technological research resulting in space travel, telescopic
observation, microscopic viewing and genetic observation, as well as
highly advanced mathematical equations and many other advancements.

We also must consider the revealed food chain before that fall. The
qualifying source declared early on in Genesis that "all vegetations
and plants yielding seed" was food for humans and animals alike. Only
after the fall, did that wording change to flesh. As we observe life on
this planet, we see a wonderful array of that food chain of vegetation
for man and animals. Fruits and vegetation well designed for the
consumption and nourishment of humans and animals alike. Beautiful and
delicious plants yielding health beneficial fruits for more advanced or
chosen lifeforms. And a continuous hydrologic cycle enabling the
yielding of those seeds for generations and generations to come. What
clearer evidence of intended design is there than a banana to be
peeled, or a cherry or apple to be picked off a tree? A vast array of
edible foods growing from the ground. How convenient!


And inconvenient to those with allergies.

Or are they attributed to "The Fall." And would that mean that the
allergy sufferers are more of a direct lineage from Adam and Eve who
caused "The Fall" than those of us that don't?





Too convenient it is! The only thorn in the overwhelming evidence of
distinct or order characteristics in all of lifeforms, is the
life/death cycle which was incorporated into man's decision for such an
action. Man wanted alienation from order, and must toil and sweat, live
and die, and justly or rightly so, all creatures subjected under man,
in the order of merit or honor. All creatures under man, as well as man
himself, were now subjected to a life death balance used to sustain
limited time in which to respond to God's CULTIVATION ALTERNATIVE. It's
that simple.

Yes, perhaps life arose out of africa, in a timespan stemming back
millions upon millions of years of an eternally based
generation/creation process. Whereby only the lifeforms in six day eden
were the truely intended or well polished endproduct. Never to die,
always to live, in an original eternal eden creation scenario. With a
history which reveals an eternal essence, life resembling a time of
ripening, time which was enormous, yes, reflecting the very eternal
essence of the creator.

Man and all of the endproduct lifeforms were generated out of eternity
and dispersed out of Africa and Asia into all the earth. Had man not
fallen, the size of this universe and it's expansion, would've housed
this eternal creation forever and ever.

But man has fallen. And the systems changed. Changed to work a
salvation or cultivation system into it's history, in which to
cultivate souls who respond to the same and consistant essence of God,
as revealed by his divine moral laws. A divine will which works for the
good of all of creation, and as taught consistantly throughout the
church's 2,000 year history.

But fallen man attributes this view of earth from the satellite, to a
chaotic cause. It's view of chemicals or ingredients for life in this
particular galaxy as a result of a still more chaotic causes. It's view
of living organisms yet still from even more chaotic causes. Then it's
view of advanced life as some type of acquired ability. Acquired from
what, chaos? No way! Anyway, going way back, ultimately, the equation
gets more difficult the larger the chaotic source.

The view of this planet from this highly intelligent vantage point,
reveals distinct life, beauty and design. Let the distinctiveness of
lifeforms, and the sustaining order in our galaxy, solar system, and
ecosystem, declare that eternal intelligent designor who became man and
taught us how to live for the common good of all. Who, despite our lack
of cooperation or response, gave us a learning program, a second
chance, a means to be cultivated anew, as He promised He would "Make
all things New again".

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