Re: All Evidence is Subjective...


raven1 wrote:
On 9 Feb 2006 10:43:46 -0800, jwsheffield@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:


raven1 wrote:
On 8 Feb 2006 07:13:34 -0800, roger_pearse@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

and no historical record of such Gospel events as the Slaughter of the Innocents that
would surely have caught the attention of even secular historians.

Argument from silence.

Hardly; simply an observation that the rather outlandish claims made
in the Gospels are completely uncorroborated.
--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"


Since you like the argument from silence, I
shall give a greater argument from silence.
Matthew was published in the ancient world
in Aramaic, Greek, Coptic(both Southern and Northern
Egyptian versions), Vetus Latin, and other versions.
Are you telling me no Roman official was as smart
as you and interviewed clans from Bethlehem.

About what?

The
people who ran the Roman Empire were no dummies.
May I ask what Empire you have run?

May I ask where the meticulous record-keepers in the Roman Empire
recorded the Slaughter of the Innocents? Or why you might think the
Romans would bother investigating the origin of any of the Gospels in
the first place?
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"and no historical record of such Gospel events as the Slaughter of
the Innocents that
would surely have caught the attention of even secular historians."

First, you say, they would have noticed
then you say they didn't care. You contradict yourself.
The fact is from Nero(Tacitus) to Diocletion(Eusebius),
they tortured and murfered Christians, so they did care.
Learned people such as Celsus refuted by Origen
and Porphyr of Tyre refuted by Jerome and Methodus
did try but were refuted by learned Christians.Weight
of evidence goes to Christianity.

Jim

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