Re: A scientific theory against God and morality



neverbetter wrote:
nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx kirjoitti:

The point of natural selection theory should be to explain the forms of
organisms. You can't do that when you start the logic with being better
at reproduction than another. You have to start the logic with
preservation of form through reproduction.

This makes no sense to me. Forms of organisms ARE preserved through
reproduction. If organism A is better at reproduction than organism B,
then the form of A is more likely to be preserved through reproduction.
It doesn't matter which sentence you start with, you are describing
natural selection anyhow.

Gee, that's being obtuse. One can see the formulations are different.

For example in the preservation logic of natural selection species that
are becoming extinct can be said to be selected against. In the
reproducing better as another logic natural selection generally doesn't
apply to species going extinct, because no one is better as another
they all fail.

One can see that the Darwinist formulation pits the one against the
other in struggle where the superior wins out. But no such struggle
for reproduction exists, because no such goal of reproduction exists.

So for as far as evolution goes, in stead of talking ideologically
about differential reproductive "success", we should be talking
neutrally about a differential "rate" of reproduction. We should
recognize that the basic logic is not to be better as another at
reproduction, but the basic logic is the preservation of form through
reproduction. The form of an organism doesn't make sense in terms of
being better as another, the form basicly makes sense in relation to
the environment.

regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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