Re: Climate and compound motions

oriel36 wrote:

> The sidereal day is basically the empirical version of creationism
> insofar as it is based on a muddleheaded celestial sphere/calendrical
> system tied directly to terrestial longitudes.
>
REALLY? -- the sidereal day is defined as the duration between
meridians of a star it is 3+ minutes shorter than the solar day. I use
it commonly to calculate orbital data. the earths sidereal time is
385.256363 days (the day is the astronomical unit.) It is a scientific
measure that can be verified (with work). But it requires a
synchronized clock and a telescope. You would not have a meridian
telescope. and the telescope clock rate turns the telescope with stars,
is sidereal. It is ONLY way to take astronomical photographs.



> The entire empirical corpus beginning with Newtonian
> quasi-geocentricity is based on attributing a value of 23 hours 56 min
> 04 sec to axial rotation through 360 degrees.* .Every single person
> here today will use the core principle of axial rotation through 360
> degrees in 24 hours exactly yet few truly comprehend how this great
> principle emerged from pre-Copernican astronomy and was adapted by the
> first heliocentrists even though the principles are so easy and
> enjoyable to understand ,again,the principles are really easy and
> enjoyable after the initial unfamiliarity.
>
This is a bogus claim because SOLAR TIME is SUN TO SUN and THAT is 24:00
hours. Sidereal is the time between transits of a STAR.(star to star)
But they both measure the SAME duration.

The DAY was defined long before ROMAN TIMES. The period was known in the
4 century AD. The Romans had very accurate WATER CLOCKS and could
measure the day.
>
> Ask anyone and they will tell you that clocks keep pace with axial
> rotation at 15 degrees per hour precisely,they do so because the core
> Equation of Time principles which generated the equable 24 hour day in
> the pre-Copernican era was adapted to the heliocentric principle of
> constant and independent axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour and 24
> hours/360 degrees in total.It is difficult to believe that empiricists
> would genuinely ignore or not comprehend how the Equation of Time
> principles transfer from the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day to the
> heliocentric axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour but that is exactly
> what happened .If there was a court case tommorrow on what constitutes
> the simple fact of axial rotation and its value for rotation through
> 360 degrees,you and your empirical colleagues would be laughed out of
> court.
>
You do not understand the equation of time. It is so complicated now
that I could not explain it in a posting twice the size of this stuff.
But UTB and UT are SOLAR MEAN TIME. I set my household clocks with WWV.


> There is nothing,absolutely nothing to compare with the misconduct of
> 17th century celestial cataloguers in fixing a non existent celestial
> sphere/calendar system to terrestial longitudes for the purpose of
> assigning location for navigational purposes without the use of a
> clock.

Clocks became available in Newtons time. HALEY, Newton's friend, was
the person that established the mathematics for CLOCKS and navigation.
and that 15 degree standard is an artifact, it is due to the mean solar
rate.

Whereas the creationist tendencies are purely political the
> empiricist tendencies are grossly destructive for
> climatological,geological and astronomical modelling where the
> indepdent and compound motions of the Earth are required.
>
This is a severe distortion. in the 16th century the trouble was
establishing the accuracy of CLOCKS. And the technique of DR navigation
sometimes called point to point DOES NOT USE CLOCKS. The celestial
system was measured in the 17th century. WE have LEAP SECONDS. from
year to year. The Earth's rotation is NOT CONSTANT. as a side note

Kepler was in the 16th century, before Newton and he provided
mathematical proof of orbital structure. Newton was not an astronomer
but a phycisit and he invented calculus and solved the problem. It was
why Haley coaxed Newton to publish PRINCIPIA. The mathematics for the
equation of time was developed HERE.



STRAWMAN argument ( 1 Solar Day = 1 Sidereal Day --exactly)
> Any person who does not accept axial rotation at 24 hours/360 degrees
> as an indepdent motion cannot call himself intelligent for nothing
> astronomically supports the value of 23 hours 56 min 04 sec.Perhaps the
> creationists will eventually teach you how the Equation of Time
> principles straddle pre-Copernican and heliocentricity astronomy and
> how axial rotation never changes from 24 hours/360 degrees.I will make
> it my purpose to outline the core Equation of Time principles which
> make so much possible over the Christmas season,this being my gift as a
> Christian.

My telescope NEEDS it to follow the stars. It is SYNONYMOUS with
SOLAR TIME. The "Seconds" are different. In astronomy the class of
seconds is very,very serious. Solar mean seconds. ephemeris time, TBDC,
UT, sidereal are the main ones. And they all mean DIFFERENT things.
>
I have got to see this PROOF. I have the ASTRONOMICAL JOURNAL. Lets
compare notes.
josephus

>
>
>
> * http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
>

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