Re: Sneezing Proves Evolution


11File wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2005 21:39:18 -0800, "rev.goetz" <jimgoetz316@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >11File wrote:
> >> On 30 Nov 2005 11:59:16 -0800, "rev.goetz" <jimgoetz316@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >11File wrote:
> >> >> On 30 Nov 2005 09:34:25 -0800, snyders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If there's a God like in the bible, he's one sick puppy. It's like
> >> >> Santa Claus up at the North Pole designing toys for kids, but God
> >> >> disigned germs to beat our immune systems. He would have had to do
> >> >> this all for his own enjoyment because theres nobody that can tell him
> >> >> what to do. It must be like a game for him. If he's real, I mean. Or
> >> >> maybe evolution did it instead.
> >> >
> >> >I believe God established evolution. Yes, I believe that I have common
> >> >genetic anscestry with all germs. I should have clarified that I was
> >> >only replying to the second paragraph of the original post which
> >> >implies that sneezing proves atheism.
> >>
> >> It only proves there can't be a God like the one creationists believe
> >> in. If he designed all those germs with their strategies for beating
> >> the immune system, then he's not somebody that most people would want
> >> to know. Even if he's doing it because Adam and Eve screwed up, he's
> >> still got serious psychological problems. It used to be that half the
> >> kids would die of disease. If God designed it that way, the boy has
> >> serious issues he needs to deal with. His sense of values would be
> >> warped. He'd have to be pretty sick in the head to design all those
> >> mechanisms for messing up children.
> >
> >The problem of evil in the universe that you mention is perhaps the
> >most sensitive issue faced by theists. In the context of theistic
> >evolution, God created the universe and formed all biochemical laws.
> >And deoxyribonucleic acid DNA) has marvelous properties that enable it
> >to produce biological building blocks that potentially make an infinite
> >number of combinations, as long as each step of descent with
> >modification produces a viable population.
> >
> >I suspect that God also occasionally intervened in natural history by
> >manipulating probabilistic mechanics during the origin of life and
> >during other critical times in the following 4+ billion years of
> >evolution that led to the emergence of anatomically modern humans. On
> >the other hand, many theistic evolutionists stick strictly to a
> >Darwinian model of the origin of life and evolution. In either model of
> >theistic evolution, I speculate that evolution needs a food chain to
> >eventually generate the complexity required for intelligent life, where
> >intelligent life can invent scientific theories and practice
> >spirituality while intelligent life must also have manual dexterity and
> >deft locomotion that enables the species to act upon its intelligence,
> >which would give the intelligence a selective advantage.
> >
> >The above food chain by definition requires that some species eat other
> >species. And the eating of biological life depends upon the
> >destructibility of biological life. And the DNA-based building blocks
> >would inevitably develop into all kinds of germs that attack
> >destructible biological life. Unfortunately, the inevitable
> >destructibility of biological life includes defenseless children, which
> >we understandably grieve.
> >
> >The very nature of nature is risky. As a believer in the Christian
> >Bible, I believe that Genesis 1-3 teaches that humans have always been
> >at risk to physical destruction, but the offer of the figurative Tree
> >of Life provided supernatural blessing that among other things
> >protected the first humans from the dangers of nature. I am not sure
> >about the detail of events in the first human rebellion, but one of the
> >consequences involved banishment from the figurative the Tree of Life.
> >And this leaves humans vulnerable to the dangers of nature.
> >
> >Fortunately, God gave us the ability to develop technology. And
> >technology has helped to protect many people from many of the dangers
> >in nature. And I have seen some examples of God answering prayer, which
> >is not scientifically verifiable according to Hume. I also see that
> >Revelation 22 teaches that the next world will again have the tree of
> >life.
> >
> >I suppose that this is a lofty post to spring from a hypothesis about
> >sneezing. But from my perspective, God did not go out of his way to
> >sadistically design human immunodeficiency virus and other infectious
> >agents.
>
> Some of your post is pretty cool. You don't sound half as crazy as
> some of the reverends I have known. But I think you're still slightly
> whacked because you believe in Genesis. I hear what you're saying
> about the Tree of Life being figurative, but then you talk about "the
> first human rebellion" like that's something that happened at some
> point in history or pre-history or whatever. And you say that it was
> this rebellion that made humans vulnerable to the dangers of nature.
> If that was true, thered have to be a time when people weren't
> vulnerable to germs and all the rest of it. When was this supposed to
> be?.

I suspect that this goes back to the first years in the first
generation of anatomically modern humans. I defer the date of the
emergence of anatomically modern humans to anthropological paleontology
and population genetics. Current estimates suggest that anatomically
modern humans emerged between 80,000 to 150,000 years ago.

Jim

.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Islamic View of the Universe
    ... > How humans view their own nature is a question imposed in the foundation ... > Another viewpoint overemphasizes the spiritual aspect of life, ... > Islam views humans as quite distinct from other beings, ... > The second point is, by realizing that humans are the trustees of God, ...
    (soc.culture.pakistan)
  • Why is God silent? (I dont know)
    ... god has ever appeared to or spoken to ... life to any of the SIX BILLION 'sane' members of the human race. ... The God of Nature and The God of Inner Peace. ...
    (alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
  • Islamic View of the Universe
    ... life, or of any divine plan that makes humans any different from other ... Islam views humans as quite distinct from other beings, ... The second point is, by realizing that humans are the trustees of God, they ...
    (soc.culture.pakistan)
  • Islamic View of the Universe
    ... life, or of any divine plan that makes humans any different from other ... Islam views humans as quite distinct from other beings, ... The second point is, by realizing that humans are the trustees of God, they ...
    (soc.culture.iranian)
  • Re: Islamic View of the Universe
    ... > of any purpose for life, or of any divine plan that makes humans any ... > Islam views humans as quite distinct from other beings, ... > The second point is, by realizing that humans are the trustees of God, ...
    (alt.religion.islam)