Re: The ToE is nothing more than..


NashtOn wrote:
> unrestrained_hand@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > NashtOn wrote:
> >
> >>A useless philosophy of naturalism, designed by a madman loner who
> >>became disillusioned with G-d because of a personal loss.
> >
> >
> > Eh?
> > You're thinking of cults, which depend on the founder for
> > justification. ToE is the model which explains multiple lines of data
> > from various arenas of scientific investigation. I could have sworn
> > this has been explained to you.
> >
> >
> >>I have been, like Diogenes, looking for somebody intelligent
> >
> >
> > He wasn't looking for someone intelligent. He was looking for somebody
> > who was *honest. He would not have wasted much time on you.
> >
> >
> >>to prove to
> >>me and others what exactly the ToE has done for humanity and the
> >>advancement of practical science. And no, it has nothing to do with the
> >>debate about ID vs the ToE. The ToE is a tentative postulate and should
> >>be taught as such in schools.
> >
> >
> > I guess, if by "tentative" you mean the best supported theory around.
> >
> >
> >>*This* and only this will set the minds of our future scientists free to
> >>explore the true origins and secrets of life.
> >
> >
> > Why does establishing practical results free scientists?
> >
> > Anyway, here's some:
> > 1. Design and engineering of better crops. Perhaps the most notable is
> > golden rice, which not only feeds people but has prevented blindness in
> > hundreds of thousands of people.
> > 2. Better management of wetlands, forests, and other wilderness areas.
> > 3. Better control of introduced animal and plant pests.
> > 4. Improved ability to minimize crop pests.
> > 5. Several toddlers with "Bubble-boy" disease have been cured.
> > 6. Design of electronic chips.
> > 7. Better flu and other vaccines.
> > 8. The CDC has 2109 pages which mention "evolution". Their tracking
> > avian flu and other plagues, past or potential, would be crippled
> > without an understanding of evolution.
> > 9. The design of numerous medicines and other biotech products.
> > 10. Having a foundation upon which to build all biological lines of
> > investigation improves our understanding of all of biology, and has
> > indirect benefits.
> > 11. The human genome project has, among other benefits, begun to lead
> > to a detailed history of human beginings and migrations.
>
> Nice copy&paste job.

Guess what? Those are my words, and I'm only talking about things I
know about. I'll leave it to the scientists here to expand this list.

> Now give me a concrete example as to how *exactly* the ToE has helped in
> any of the examples given above.

You can't Google?

6. Genetic algorithms write programs as well as design chips:
" Pigliucci: The best example at this point, I guess, would be software
engineering. Because of the computer revolution we are now using
software that is increasingly sophisticated. The most interesting
software that we use is the result, essentially, of the evolution of
computer programs that are made to compete against each other. In other
words, to make them do whatever human beings want to make them do. A
lot are very complex pieces of software. For example, the kind of
software that runs the larger operations in airports is just too
complicated for a human mind to write. Software engineers use what they
refer to as genetic algorithms. It is the idea of writing simpler
pieces that engineers then put into competitions against each other.
They then evolve by mutating themselves, that is, by essentially
inserting random changes into the code and then going through a second
round of selection. And this works very nicely! Software engineers have
borrowed this process from evolutionary biologists."
From:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/pigliucci.html

9.
>>From this site:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/bull.html

"The harm in misunderstanding evolution

The evolution of drug resistance in bacteria is one of the simplest
examples of evolution that we have. It is extremely relevant to
medicine. And since it is a case of microevolution, it is an example
that should be widely embraced. Yet many people profoundly
misunderstand drug resistance. Even news reports from the BBC have
gotten it wrong.

Bacterial resistance to antibiotics is an evolutionary phenomenon:

* heavy use of antibiotics selects bacteria that are genetically
resistant to the drug
* with continued use of antibiotics, those resistant forms of the
bacteria multiply and spread to other hosts
* eventually, resistant bacteria replace the population of
once-sensitive bacteria.

In the minds of some people, however, the problem with misuse of
antibiotics is that it can lead to a physiological tolerance in the
person taking the drugs, so that antibiotics are no longer effective in
that person. That is, they think that drugs become ineffective because
of the person, not the bacterium. This erroneous, non-evolutionary view
has serious ramifications, because it can lead to an unwarranted
complacency about antibiotic misuse. Because drug resistance is
evolutionary, your neighbor's misuse of antibiotics can injure or kill
you. The unregulated use of antibiotics in, say, Europe can bring
strains for which we have no defense to the U.S. and our hospitals. It
is not simply a matter of the proper use of antibiotics in each of us
individually; it is a matter of everyone's proper use of antibiotics."

11.
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

>
> Nicolas
>
> >
> >
> >>Get over it.
> >
> >
> > Get over what? Your loathing of knowledge and astonishing arrogance? I
> > can't say that it's bothered me all that much, altho I will do what I
> > have to do to preserve civilization (watching local public schools, for
> > example). You *have provided some amused disbelief for my daughter, a
> > physics major in Washington State University .
> >
> >
> >>Nicola
> >
> >
> > Kermit
> >

BTW - one of my daughter's best friends from high school went on to MIT
to study physics. And *she's an evangelical. You don't *have to be
ignorant to be Christian.So why do you want to be?

Kermit

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