Re: C14 in diamonds


Friar Broccoli wrote:
> Paul J Gans wrote:
> > Friar Broccoli <EliasRK@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > >Jon Fleming wrote:
> > >> On 19 Nov 2005 17:33:28 -0800, "Friar Broccoli" <EliasRK@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> I ain't much of a physicist; but electrons do not orbit the nucleus,
> > >> and I think that there's no meaningful definition of a velocity for
> > >> whatever it is they _do_ do.
> >
> > > I have no problem with that. Could you tell me what they _do_ do,
> > > and if it would be increased if the speed of light was increased?
> >
> > In case you missed my first answer, I'll repeat it.
>
> Yes, I did miss your first reply.
>
> >
> > The electrons in atoms are standing waves like a
> > frictionless violin string might exhibit.
> >
> > Such waves don't move. No movement, no velocity.
>
>
> Mr Fleming (in his second reply) said (paraphrasing and probably
> screwing up his meaning) that he doesn't think the speed of light
> would have any effect on the behavior of electrons, but I find that
> hard to believe because light is supposed to interact with the
> electrons
> in air, water, or glass as it passes through them.
>
> Do you want to risk an opinion ?
>
> If Mr. Kahana doesn't notice this, I will probably repost this question
> (with your corrections) to a physics group.
>

I have a slight begining of an opinion.

Which is: I think you can't tell if you are in a world where the speed
of light is different.

Light travels at one light second per second by definition. In other
words...

*All* natural processes of change have rates which can be compared.
Any can be used as a reference clock for any other.

In the limit of correction for explainable variations, all such
'clocks' approximate to the time measured by a light clock. A light
clock marks time by the count of reflections to and fro of
electromagnetic radiation between a pair of parallel mirrors. (So I'm
saying if the speed of light were higher, time would appear speeded up
by just the amount necessary for the occupants of the world to make all
observations identically to the way we do.)

Or in yet other words...

A change in the speed of light requires a change in either or both of
the magnetic permeability of free space and the electrostatic
permittivity of free space. If electrons literally did orbit the
nucleii of atoms, those orbits would change in diameter and period as a
result of changes to the aforementioned electromagnetic constants.
They would change in such a way consistent with the whole world being
being smaller and/or faster (assuming c *in*creased). Of course the
occupants of said world can't tell they are smaller and/or faster
living, so they measure the speed of light to be the same as we do
(assuming the course of their history led them to adopt the same units
of distance and time we have, which descend originally from the size of
the planet and the length of it's year.).

Or in yet other words again...

In four dimensional spacetime, what distance do you think 1 second
corresponds to? I trust you said 1 light second. There aren't enough
degrees of freedom in this model to meaningfully imagine some other
speed of light.

Now your young earth creationists may be saying the interstellar medium
isn't the same as free space, which it isn't exactly - but any rarefied
matter there may be there can only slow light down, it can't speed it
up.

All the above by the way, is purely based on instinct and may turn out
to be as wrong as other things I've said.

Regards,
Nic

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