Re: Yet another ID lie - Humans do evolve.

Bob D wrote:
> NashtOn wrote:
>
>
>>Sla#s wrote:
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>>>Yet another ID lie - Humans do evolve.
>>>
>>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1880301,00.html
>>>
>>>
>>>The Sunday Times November 20, 2005
>>>
>>>"Scientists show we've been losing face for 10,000 years
>>>Jonathan Leake, Science Editor
>>>
>>>THE human face is shrinking. Research into people's appearance over the past
>>>10,000 years has found that our ancestors' heads and faces were up to 30%
>>>larger than now.
>>>Changes in diet are thought to be the main cause. The switch to softer,
>>>farmed foods means that jawbones, teeth, skulls and muscles do not need to
>>>be as strong as in the past.
>>>
>>>The shrinkage has been blamed for a surge in dental problems caused by
>>>crooked or overlapping teeth.
>>>
>>>"Over the past 10,000 years there has been a trend toward rounder skulls
>>>with smaller faces and jaws," said Clark Spencer Larsen, professor of
>>>anthropology at Ohio State University. ...
>>>
>>> Charles Loring Brace, professor of anthropology at the University of
>>>Michigan, said: "Human faces are shrinking by 1%-2% every 1,000 years.
>>>
>>>"What's more, we are growing less teeth. Ten thousand years ago everyone
>>>grew wisdom teeth but now only half of us get them, and other teeth like the
>>>lateral incisors have become much smaller. This is evolution in action."
>>>....
>>>
>>>....................
>>>Slatts
>>>
>>
>>Firstly, wouldn't a changing diet account for this change and wouldn't
>>this be acquired during the life of individuals?
>>
>>Secondly, can you please demonstrate what survival pressures made the
>>individuals with more wisdom teeth/larger jaws and skulls die off in
>>order for the wisdom toothless/small jaw and skull individuals to become
>>predominant?
>>
>>Is this the best evolutionary theory can do to prove major
>>modifications, (macroevolution especially) that can account for, for
>>example, man evolving to H. Sapiens from primates?
>>
>>If anything, this is proof of Lamarckism and I dare any of the
>>scientists in this forum to prove otherwise.
>>
>>Nicola
>
>
> Unfortunately the above poster omitted part of the article :

Well, the ToE omits a large part of reality too, so no surprise there.

>
> "What's more, we are growing less teeth. Ten thousand years ago
> everyone grew wisdom teeth but now only half of us get them, and other
> teeth like the lateral incisors have become much smaller. This is
> evolution in action."

Teeth, like many other tissues, respond to external stimuli. Given that
teeth are essentially bone, with Haversian canals, Volkmans canals,
osteoblasts and osteoclasts, it is safe to say that remodeling of tooth
bone is possible and according to a specific diet.

This is basic physiology.

>
> Softer food may not be the only cause. Some scientists blame sexual
> selection - the preference of prehistoric people for partners with
> smaller faces.

More conjecture.
So we're trying to prove the shaky postulate of the ToE with even more
shaky arguments, for which we can only speculate.

>
> Dr Simon Hillson, of the Institute of Archaeology at University College
> London, has studied humans living from 26,000 years ago to about 8,000
> years ago. He measured 15,000 prehistoric teeth, jaws and skulls
> collected by museums around the world and found the same pattern of
> shrinking faces.

At best, proof of micro-evolution and genetic polymorphism.

>
> He said: "The presumption is that people must have chosen mates with
> smaller, shorter faces - but quite why this would be is less
> clear."

Operative word: Presumption.

>
> Sexual selection is a POSSIBLE explanation. This is work in progress.


That's **precisely** why the ToE cannot explain everything and why most
people don't buy it. It's not only a work in progress, it's a pot-pouri
of lies in the making, in order to suit Man's arrogance that he has the
all the answers, when in fact, we've just begun to glimpse the deep
mystery that is life.


Nicola

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