Re: So, are there races of men?


"Jeff" <guitar0633@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:10:36 +0000 (UTC), "Alexander"
> <alexanderhudson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>"Jeff" <guitar0633@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:46:40 +0000 (UTC), "Alexander"
>>> <alexanderhudson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jeff" <guitar0633@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>> On 25 Oct 2005 16:38:36 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jeff <guitar0633@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> Seems to me that there are some serious hypocrites in the scientific
>>>>>>> world. While they rightfully take apart believers (I am an atheist)
>>>>>>> for refusing to go where truth leads them where gods are concerned,
>>>>>>> they themselves allow egalitarians to claim that there are no races
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> men, with silly statements about race being a socially constructed
>>>>>>> idea. A scientist follows the truth WHEREVER IT MAY LEAD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And the truth is: the common, social idea of races is completely
>>>>>>unscientific.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are clearly white men and black men.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And there are men with blue eyes and men with brown eyes. It's a
>>>>>>superficial feature, and no basis for some fundamental scientific
>>>>>>classification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Point is, if you take two random black men, chances are they're more
>>>>>>genetically different than a random caucasian and a random asian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This argument has been defeated long ago. There is no predictive
>>>>> value in your dividing lined inside a certain population. Let's mak4e
>>>>> this simple. If I have ten men who have kinky hair, thick lips[and
>>>>> wide nostrils, I can predict to a high degree that these men would be
>>>>> black Africans. When you have Ten men and half have blue eyes and
>>>>> half have brown eyes, yet there are no differences in any other ways,
>>>>> then there is no predictive value. It is you who must show NO
>>>>> DIFFERENCES in predictive value. You are saying that differences
>>>>> between populations and within populations are EXACTLY the same, and
>>>>> that neither can predict anything more than the other, and this is
>>>>> simply not the case. We cannot find a correlation between crime and
>>>>> eye color in the same population, but we can between those with black
>>>>> skin and white skin. Same for many other aspects of human
>>>>> populations. Differences within populations ARE NOT EQUAL to
>>>>> differences in Populations. For example People of west African
>>>>> descent hold *494* of the top 500 100-meter times in the world. They
>>>>> make up 8% of the world's population.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8% of the population holds 98.8% of the fastest 100-meter
>>>>> times...that's staggering and it has nothing to do with training or
>>>>> culture. The best ever time by a white person at the 100 meter isn't
>>>>> even in the top 200 times. West Africans have broken the 10 second
>>>>> barrier well over 100 times. No one from any other race has ever
>>>>> broken it. On the other hand how many west Africans do you see winning
>>>>> at distance running? None. They're not built for it. Distance running
>>>>> is dominated by Kenyans who have totally different, basically opposite
>>>>> genetics. How many west Africans do you see in strong man
>>>>> competitions? Basically none. It's dominated by white people of
>>>>> northern European descent.
>>>>>
>>>>> West Africans have skinnier calfs with higher insertion points,
>>>>> narrower hips, longer legs, less body fat, higher ratios of fast
>>>>> twitch muscles to slow twitch muscles, smaller more efficient lungs,
>>>>> and differences in mitochondrial DNA that gear their energy systems
>>>>> more towards short bursts of explosiveness.
>>>>>
>>>>> And as far as basketball goes...they have longer wingspans.
>>>>>
>>>>> This doesn't even begin to touch the differences in IQ testing that we
>>>>> have seen ever since we have been testing it. Again, no predictive
>>>>> value trying to test between people in a certain population who have
>>>>> different color eyes, or hair, or taller vs shorter, but plenty of
>>>>> predictive value between whites and blacks. Really, your argument is
>>>>> old and has been trounced long ago. In fact, I would say shame on you
>>>>> for trying to equate differences within populations to differences in
>>>>> differing populations. The problems with that are very clear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I call troll - a really vicious maladjusted troll - but troll
>>>>nonetheless
>>>
>>> Translation: I have no argument for his statement.
>>
>>I have a vast amount of information relating to this exact argument. I
>>notice you've ignored all the salient posts raised by myself and others
>>with
>>no evidence, no citations, no basis for your assertions. So I see no
>>rational argument for wasting time with a vicious racist troll.
>>
>>Thanks for playing - come back when you have anything of substance to
>>discuss.
>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> "with a vicious racist troll" hahaha, you are too funny. This
> statement alone shows your politics and how you attempt to warp your
> science to fit it. Clearly there is some emotion in this statement,
> yet you expect me to believe that it won't effect your science, right?
>
> Laughable. How about you start off by telling me if there are
> differences in bone structure, muscles and such, or if it is skin
> color, hair texture ONLY. Half you egalitarians can't even get on the
> same page. Some say there is no differences other than skin color
> alone, others say there are differences in skeletal comparisons which
> would effect running speed, jumping and other factors. Let's get it
> straight, where do you stand, eh?

So, again ... no citations, evidence or actual support for your assertions?

Cya



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> Jeff
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