Re: CALL THE RSPRS (Was: Re: Evolution makes no predictions ...)

NashtOn wrote:

> Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
>
>>NashtOn schreef:
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>>
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>>>Kleuskes & Moos wrote:
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>>>
>>>>bimms@xxxxxxxx schreef:
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>>>>>Evolution supposedly proceeds by "random" mutation. This is too vague.
>>>>>Such vagueness cannot be applied toward any type of technology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Strawman #1.
>>>>
>>>>Evolution does not proceed by random mutations. Mutations are random,
>>>>true, but evolution depends on those that bring a selective advantage.
>>>
>>>Yep, and most of them, if not all are deleterious even *fatal* and
>>>contribute to degradation of the genetic pool.
>>
>>
>>That is, in fact, contrary to all evidence we possess and can be
>>refuted by a simple experiment (demonstration, really) which can be
>>conducted in the classroom. It involves E-Coli and
>>penicillin-resistance. I think you know this classic little
>>demonstration.
>
>
> Mutations are extremely rare, in the order of 1 per 100000000-100000000
> bacteria.

With no data to back it up. Just another theory, more conjecture and not
a spec of data.

> This type of resistance is primary resistance.
> You will have to keep up with real science and epidemiology, Einstein.
> Furthermore, o clueless one, you need many mutations in order to develop
> true and tangible primary resistance.

With no data to back it up. Just another theory, more conjecture and not
a spec of data.

> Even though what is called vertical gene transfer occurs, it is
> *extremely* rare and accounts for extremely little of what is known as
> resistance.

With no data to back it up. Just another theory, more conjecture and not
a spec of data.

> Look up HGT in order to educate yourself before you spew forth even more
> nonsense.
>
> Secondly, mutations are deleterious, fatal and extremely rare and of
> little or no benefit to organisms.

With no data to back it up. Just another theory, more conjecture and not
a spec of data.

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>>>>Darwin himself proposed a ways to falsify ToE.
>>>
>>>He did? Any experimental evidence or is this just "theory", *again*?
>>
>>
>>See "On the origin of species". Look it up yourself, the book is
>>accesible
>>enough.
>
>
> The fact of the matter is that what Darwin wrote is not what is
> significant. What is significant is whether we can, with the help of the
> data, falsify ToE.

We?

> So far, we can't.

We?

>><snip>
>>
>>>># Strawman #5
>>>>
>>>>In fact ToE makes a lot of predictions that can (and have) been
>>>>verified during our lifetime.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA210.html
>>>>http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolphil/predict.html
>>>
>>>LOL. LOL. Redefining science from a philosophical standpoint to make
>>>science fit ToE and not the other way around.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Do you actually believe your own lies?
>>
>>
>>I don't lie. You do.
>
>
> I do not lie,

With no data to back it up. Just another theory, more conjecture and not
a spec of data.

<snip>

Shane
The truth will set you free.

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