Re: In the News: Audience goes ape over debate


Lt. Kizhe Catson wrote:
> Alan Morgan wrote:
> > In article <434ef0fb$0$73632$ed2619ec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > Diane L <diane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >>Jason Spaceman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>For his part, Griesmaier offered $250,000 to anyone who could prove
> >>>there are not any giant, invisible kangaroos orbiting Mars, preparing
> >>>to invade. But he is the one who decides what is acceptable proof.
> >>
> >>I love this!
> >
> >
> > Agreed. Grismaier should be offered the position of Professor of
> > Rather Unlikely Things at UoE immediately.
> >
> >
> >>Hovind believes that if you teach schoolchildren that they evolved from
> >>apes, they will start acting like them. He thinks drug use, sexually
> >>transmitted diseases and an increased crime rate among teens is partly based
> >>on the exclusive teaching of evolution.
> >
> >
> > Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that this is true. It isn't,
> > because Hovind is barking mad, but let's pretend. So what? So what
> > if teaching evolution does all of these things? If someone proved
> > 100% conclusively that teaching that the Earth is round led to increased
> > crime would anyone with a functioning brain *seriously* suggest that
> > we stop teaching that the Earth is round? Of course not. We teach
> > that the Earth is round because the Earth is freakin' round. Likewise,
> > if we are descended from ape-like ancestors then we should teach that.
> > If we aren't, we shouldn't. The fact that it may or may not lead to
> > teen pregnancy, higher crime, and global warming is simply not relevant.
> >
> >
> >>When Griesmaier countered that
> >>European countries have a lower violent crime rate and a lower rate of
> >>church attendance than the United States, Hovind took issue with the
> >>countries (which included England, France, and the Netherlands) in his
> >>opponent's example.
> >>
> >>"Those decreased murder rates were all from countries with socialistic
> >>governments and total gun control," said Hovind. "I'll take my gun, thank
> >>you.""
> >>
> >>So ... guns *do* kill people?
> >
> >
> > Only in Godless countries. Banning guns would make no difference in
> > the US because we all believe in God (except for Democrats. They
> > don't). It makes a difference in Europe because they don't believe
> > in God. And they are Commies. And many of them are French.
>
> Where does Switzerland sit on that metric? I seem to recall that every
> adult male is supposed to own a gun (and not just a cheap hand-gun
> either -- I mean something with enough woomp to actually defend the
> country from invasion). And where does it sit on the religiosity scale?

By European standards, the Swiss are moderately religious. Their
homicide rate is high by European standards, but still much lower than
the American one.

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