Re: The universe looks designed to me

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:38:25 GMT, Wall of Sleep <Sabotage@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>Mark Isaak wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:57:11 GMT, Wall of Sleep <Sabotage@xxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:03:55 GMT, Wall of Sleep <Sabotage@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Depends on what you mean by 'supernatual' (care to define it for us?),
>>>>>>and how it operates.
>>>>>
>>>>>Something that exists outside the realm of nature.
>>>>
>>>>How is that different from "nonexistent"?
>>>
>>>One *exists* the other doesn't. Look again at my words.
>>
>> Your idea of "exists" includes things (which you call supernatural)
>> that cannot be detected in any way and cannot have any detectable
>> influence on anything we know about. How is that different from
>> "nonexistent"?
>
>How do you know they can't be detected "in any way"?

That's what "outside the realm of nature" means. Nature is, almost by
definition, the realm of all we can detect. It certainly includes at
least that much.

>People claim to detect them all the time.

Have you ever read Hume's "On miracles"? It should be online
somewhere.

>Granted, they can't be detected (as yet) by
>the scientific method. However that doesn't mean they *cannot* exist.
>Perhaps they exist outside the realm of direct observation.

Which makes them, for all practical purposes, nonexistent.

>Isn't there a theory being bandied about presently in the scientific
>community which involves parallel universes? Are these parallel
>*observable* universes?

If they are observable, then they are part of nature.

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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering

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