Re: Biblical Ages


Chris Devol wrote:
> "Richard Forrest" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >
> > Chris Devol wrote:
> > <snipped>
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps so.
> >> > So perhaps you can tell me how Noah, who is recorded as living to a
> >> > vast age yet spent a lot of his time closely closeted with domesticated
> >> > animals managed it? The source cited at the beginning of this thread
> >> > for stories of immense longevity contradicts the reason you give for
> >> > such longevity. Personally, I think that the stories of people living
> >> > for centuries are distortionsm fabrications or fables, and your
> >> > 'flesh-eating zombies' explanation a hoot. But do try for *some*
> >> > semblance of internal consistency.
> >>
> >> According to the Vedas, approximately 120 million years ago, the earth
> >> planet was covered with water during the partial devastation that occurs
> >> with a change of "Manu" (this was at the the end of a "Manvantara" - one
> >> of
> >> the sub-cycles of history). During this devastation, the Manu of the new
> >> age, Vaivasvata was kept alive on a large boat which was towed by the
> >> Lord
> >> in the form of a giant fish. This Manu, who is a human being, is alive
> >> for
> >> the entire duration of the Manvantara, about 300 million years.
> >>
> >> The "Noah" story may have its roots in this Vedic account. In any case,
> >> whether you accept the Biblical account or the older Vedic account, there
> >> was a supernatural intervention by God which enabled the extraordinary
> >> events to occur.
> >>
> >
> > So which do you think is the true account, and how do you determine
> > which one?
>
> I follow the Vedic version, because the Vedic conception of God is far and
> away the most comprehensive and detailed of all scriptures. It predates the
> advent of kali-yuga (3102 BC), whereas the Abrahamic traditions came into
> existence within the last 5000 years.

You haven't answered my question:
How do you determine which is the true account?

>
> >> But you obviously don't accept any account of anything which involves the
> >> intervention of God. So as a devotee of the "scientific" method, I
> >> suppose
> >> you will have to settle for simple mockery of anything which doesn't fit
> >> into the wonderful "scientific" paradigm which has given us so many new
> >> ways
> >> to commit violence against others, eat their dead bodies, and rape the
> >> planet, in our quest to be known as "developed nations".
> >
> > Actually, I was mocking the internal contradictions in your posting. Or
> > is logic just another one of the things I need to abandon?
>
> Actually, I see in your post no cogent analysis whatsoever of my statements.

So an analysis which points out that your statement contains internal
contradictions is not cogent?
What a curious idea.

>
> > So perhaps you can tell me how Noah, who is recorded as living to a
> > vast age yet spent a lot of his time closely closeted with domesticated
> > animals managed it? The source cited at the beginning of this thread
> > for stories of immense longevity contradicts the reason you give for
> > such longevity. Personally, I think that the stories of people living
> > for centuries are distortionsm fabrications or fables, and your
> > 'flesh-eating zombies' explanation a hoot. But do try for *some*
> > semblance of internal consistency.
>
> You repeat your paragraph as if I didn't adequately address it. Sorry, but I
> won't bite. It's so, like, over.

So I guess you can't provide a source which gives great ages for
ancient man which does not involve close contact with domestic animals
then.

>
> > If you can find a flood story which does not involve people living in
> > an agricultural community, please do so. Such stories originate in
> > early civilisations which were essentially farming communities living
> > on flood plains and therefore in close contact with livestock.
>
> As I said, the Abrahamic traditions came into existence within the last 5000
> years. Since it is those traditions you have chosen to snipe at, I suggest
> you talk to someone who gives a crap about them. I follow the Vedic version,
> which gives histories of civilizations going back millions and even billions
> of years.

You can't find a flood story which does not involve people living in an
agricultural community.

>
> > Or were they magically different through the direct intervention of
> > God?
>
> Things do become magically different when God is involved. And when God is
> ignored, things become quite meager and desperate, much like the situation
> with modern "science", which really has nowhere to go except into other
> beings' houses to steal their goods in order to build bigger weapons.

My word! I never realised that all those hours I spent working on
plesiosaur bones would result in bigger weapons! How does that work? Do
I bore them to death by talking about the sequential change in
proportions of cervical vertebrae along cervical series of different
plesiosaurian taxa and the possible phylogenetic significance of the
differing patterns of variation and what that might mean for
phylogenetic systematics in general if I can demonstrate that there are
.......

See, it's working already! You're bored out of your skull. (Well, it
works that way on my kids, anyway).


>
> If you don't think this is true, just consider the recent $300 million
> exercise in juvenile delinquency, wherein the criminally insane "geniuses"
> at NASA saw a comet and said to one another at a prestigious "scientific"
> meeting, "Let's shoot it and see what happens".

And learned a lot about the composition of comets and the solar system
as a consequence. It seems rather less drastic than wiping out all
mankind with a giant magical flood, doesn't it?

>
> Ah, modern "scientific" civilization. We need it like we need a hole in the
> atmosphere.

Gosh! I wonder how you are able to communicate with me then!

Tell me, do you get the words onto my screen by psychic projection, or
does it simply happen if you pray hard enough. Enquiring minds demand
an answer!


RF

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