Re: Poor Darwin


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Ape to Man:

Yes we have our version of ape to man in the UK it's still on the History
Channel I think. I watched it twice. The sudden appearance of Crow-Magnon
was a shock after all those apes/ape men. I think that something should have
been said about the grey area.

People still see these creatures apparently- big foot, susquatch, abominable
snowman and so on. Have you read 'Forbiden Archeolgy' Cremo and Thompson? An
excelent expose' of the things you say don't exist.



What is a transitional fossil? Kathleen Hunt From your own selection

"For example, the Order Perissodactyla (horses, etc.)"

The other example that everyone will be familiar with from museum displays
and textbooks is the famous "horse series," showing with what appears to be
incontrovertible clarity the 65-million-year progression from a fox-sized
ungulate of the lower Eocene to the modern-day horse..... The first form of
the series originated from the bone collections of Yale professor of
paleontology O. C. Marsh and his rival Edward Cope, and was arranged by the
director of the American Museum of Natural History (AMNH), Henry Fairfield
Osborn, in 1874. It contained just four members, beginning with the
four-toed Eohippus, or "dawn horse," and passing through a couple of
three-toed specimens to the single-toed Equus of modern times, but that was
sufficient for Marsh to declare that "the line of descent appears to have
been direct and the remains now known supply every important form." More
specimens were worked into the system and the lineage filled in to culminate
in a display put on by the AMNH in 1905 that was widely photographed and
reproduced to find its way as a standard inclusion in textbooks for
generations afterward. By that time it was already becoming apparent to
professionals that the real picture was more complicated and far from
conclusive. But it was one of those things that once rooted, takes on a life
of its own.. A more recent study of the claim of evolutionary transition of
types, as opposed to the uncontroversial fact of variation within types
stated: "The known fossil record fails to document a single example of
phyletic (gradual) evolution accomplishing a major morphologic transition
and hence offers no evidence that the gradualistic school can be valid."
17 . The validity of assigning the root genus, Eohippus, to the horse series
at all had been challenged from the beginning. It looks nothing like a horse
but was the name given to the North American animal forming the first of
Osborn's original sequence. Subsequently, it was judged to be identical to a
European genus already discovered by the British anatomist and
paleontologist, Robert Owen, and named Hyracotherium on account of its
similarities in morphology and habitat to the Hyrax running around alive and
well in the African bush today, still equipped with four fore-toes and three
hind ones, and more closely related to tapirs and rhinoceroses than anything
horselike. Since Hyracotherium predated the North American discovery, then
by the normally observed custom Eohippus is not the valid name. But the
suggestiveness has kept it entrenched in conventional horse-series lore.
Noteworthy, however, is that Hyracotherium is no longer included in the
display at Chicago's Museum of Natural History.
http://www.baen.com/chapters/W200407/0743488288___5.htm



The 'transitional' fossils presented are nearly always vertebrates - which
constitute less than 0.01% of the entire fossil record. The bulk of this
tiny sliver of the fossil record is made up of fish, where we find no signs
of darwinian evolution. The remainder are land-dwelling vertebrates; of
those species unearthed, 95% are represented by a bone or less. This means
that interpretations are very subjective, and there is serious disagreement
among leading palaeontologists about which specimens qualify as
transitional, and which supposed transitional forms fit into which lineages
and where. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/evod2.htm

Is this true that there are no transitionals among fish????

I remember another TV program that showed the cliffs at Dover and the
scientist saying that the shells that made up the bulk of the cliff were the
same from top to bottom, ( a period of millions of years ) with only changes
in size through time.

Al





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