Re: AFA survey: ID in public schools


Paul J Gans wrote:
> Larry Moran <lamoran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:18:38 -0500,
> >Dick C <foo.dickcr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Larry Moran wrote in talk.origins
>
> >[snip]
>
> >>> It's a shame that the laws of your country don't allow you to
> >>> address the real issue. In other countries this is exactly the
> >>> route that should be followed. Bring Intelligent Design and Young
> >>> Earth Creationism into the classroom and discuss the controversy
> >>> surrounding these ideas and any imagined controvery concerning
> >>> modern evolution. That's the best way to kill the silly ideas and
> >>> demonstrate the value of good science. That's what happened in the
> >>> high school that my children attended.
> >>
> >> While it probably would be a good thing, there are a great many
> >> people who teach science that really have no business doing so,
> >> and they are not likely to be very helpful. Plus, all to many
> >> school districts do not require a very thorough study of evolution.
> >> And given that our leaders seem to be hell bent to push their ideals
> >> on the rest of the world, there is scant reason to trust any
> >> decision they come to.
>
> >That sounds very sad. So, what you're saying is that the anti-science
> >group has already won? They have suppressed the teaching of evolution
> >in the schools and they have resisted any attempt to make scientific
> >literacy a qualification for teachers.
>
> I have been saying that for some weeks now. The anti-science
> group has won.

I Agree.

>
> >It sounds like the good guys are entirely on the defensive. They have
> >been forced to rely on how the courts interpret a 200-year old document
> >in order to prevent the last vestiges of evolution from being eliminated.
> >From what I can see, even this desperate last ditch battle looks like
> >it's in trouble.
>
> >Do you see any way to snatch a victory from the jaws of impending defeat?
>
> No.

I agree.

>
> My only solace is that the various religious groups will now
> fight over what ID really is and what it means.
>
> *I* shall dedicate my declining years to the study of the
> question "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin."
> I expect my results to become part of the required curriculum
> in all schools.

I just tremble a lot...

Rodjk #613

>
> ----- Paul J. Gans

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