Re: The logic of atheism

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:50:00 GMT, exador <mister_exador@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

In article <1142721331.743700.168110@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
paulholbachDELETETHENAME@xxxxxxxxxx says...
Paul Holbach wrote:

I know very well what weak or negative atheism is and that, as a
reflective adult standpoint, it does bear some justificational burden,
not being an ideologist's ideal free lunch.

Remark:
If the theists hadn't presented any rational arguments at all, then
(and only then) there would be no job for the weak atheists to do. But,
actually, such theistic arguments exist and, hence, need to be
seriously scrutinized by us atheists.

All of such arguments that I have seen, with the possible exception of
the question of first cause, which is unknowable and hence moot at
present, are inevitably either circular or include untestable
assumptions, thereby invalidating them. They are at best facile, at
worst dishonest.

First cause arguments fail because they waffle backwards beyond where
there is any information at all, stop at an arbitrary point where
there is no reason to do so because the information to make that
determination isn't there, and then make a non-sequitur leap to the
god they already presume.

Even the ones that attempt to dodge the "if everything has a cause
then so does God" problem by substituting "everything that came into
existence" (which is refuted by Quantum mechanics). But even if it
weren't the logic still fails.

It is always a presumption. There is no way to conclude it.

It's already been explained that this is merely an abstract logic
exercise. We haven't got to the stage of talking about something that
could or couldn't exist - the only justified definitions define it in
terms of the relligions that believe in it. The others make the
unjustified presumption of its existence.


Regards
PH


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