Re: Bush's Deceptions

"Blues Ma" <2blues1723@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Olly Mensch wrote:
>> PH and Blues Ma - = = I have gone through many phases - in my own head -
>> about the Iraq
>> war. I felt - initially that a good argument could be made for the fact
>> that Saddam was indeed ill-intentioned - to put it mildly - toward the
>> U.S. - and that he was trying so hard to get hold of WMD - which he was
>> hoping to-some day - use against us. We also knew, that that was not so
>> much a fantasy, because, he could have developed biological warfare
>> against us - which can easily be imported to our country via a suitcase.
>> And before 9/11, our secret service chwcking was hardly veey rigid.
>> So,I bought the argument that it would not be wise to wait until Saddam
>> will indeed have the capabiliy he seeks (I still believe that) and leave
>> the fight then to future generations. In other words, stop it in the
>> bud. But since then, it turns out there were no WMDs -to our knowledge
>> - which is not Pres. Bush's fault, but our Intel - . That left me with
>> the question, since that was the wrong info. then why are we now in
>> Iraq. Two reasons -out of Washington:
>> 1) To depose a miserable,cruel and evil dictator.
>> 2) To bring democracy to the Middle East, which - some felt -would then
>> spread throughout the region - an ideal fantasy!!
>> = = Regarding number 1), we have deposed of Saddam, but up pop many
>> others; they were always there to begin with - and they alwys will be.
>> Are we then to go to war with North Korea; this man is as evil as Saddam
>> was. Are we then supposed to go to war with Iran - the head of Iran is a
>> dangerous man -who hates the U.S. = = Therfe are others of questionable
>> character, and ability to do
>> evil. How about Syria - can we trust them? They support Hamas -a
>> terrorist organization. I won't mention such questionable figures as,
>> for instance Abbas, the newly elected head of the Palestinians, who is
>> actively cooperating with Hamas and other terrorist organizations and
>> has publicly announced his intention to eventually have all of Israel!
>> While we are helping to finance their evil plans.
>> So - it began to dawn on me, that we perhaps made a big mistake in Iraq.
>> I doubt that we can forcefeed them with democracy - they are far too
>> fractious a society. The question is why didn't our Government see that
>> -if we can see it?!
>> I do NOT believe that we went to war simply because Bush is
>> trigger-happy or wants to continue his Father's job,etc.etc. I do
>> believe he thought it was the right thing to do, to spare future
>> problems. I think now that, perhaps , it was the wrong thing to do -
>> -perhaps?!
>> = = But to get to the point -at last - I do believe that Phoebe's
>> scenario which she described in her post, is an illusion which would
>> have never been possible. Europe has its own agenda - and no amount of
>> "diplomacy" would have pierced their own preferences, plus the fact that
>> Europe was never very fond of the U.S/ - long before Pres. Bush ever
>> came to Washington. this dates back to my youth - when I knew simply
>> through living there, how much they disliked the U.S. - and looked down
>> their noses at us. A combination of sheer envy and snobbery. So, no, no
>> Pres. - not even Clinton (!!!!) would have been able to corral them to
>> our cause. And as far as Blues Ma is concerned -I differ wih your
>> opinions 100%.
>> You asked how many times had we gone to war without any provocation?!
>> Did you consider the bombing of Pearl Harbor a provocation???? Did you
>> consider world War II a provocation, where the allies begged us to come
>> and help them,and where Germany was an evil threat??? Better get your
>> facts straight before making such statements. In fact,whenever Europe
>> needed us, we were the beloved big uncle who came to their rescue.
>> Olly
>>
> You make my point Olly.
> American should NEVER go to war without provocation or invitation.

"Invited" Can you define that? A lot of expatriate Iraqis "invited" us to
act. Sunnis invited us after the Gulf War. How about Korea? What was the
provocation? WWII, yes the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. What was it
that Germany and Italy did to us? How about Mogadishu, Haiti, Kosovo, etc?
Was our response to all them "appropriate"???

bob



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