Re: social secuirty bankruptcy in 2010?


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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:49:58 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:01:55 -0700, "Lawrence Akutagawa"
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I said it was the American taxpayer who had to pay all along.
If it didn't register with you any of the times I said it, which
would be every single time the question came up, that's not my
fault.

Nope...you never did say "...it was the American taxpayer who had
to
pay
all
along." That is why I kept asking you who you thought would make
good
those
"real dollars." All you kept saying was that it has to be paid
without
specifying that it is the American taxpayer who had to do the
paying.
And
that, allow me to note, is the American taxpayer regardless of
class
standing, creed, race, economic standing, sexual persuasion, and/or
religion.

8/17 I've tried to avoid this, but let me take a shot at it. Did
you
pay relatively little into Social Security but are in a tax bracket
that means you'd have to pay a fairly hefty percentage of the
tax money the government will have to raise to pay retirees
back the money it borrowed from SS unless the government
just shines that debt on and tells the people who paid into
SS to shove it, and thereby taxes won't have to be raised to
pay the money back because the people who paid into SS
will be stiffed out of getting the loan paid back?

8/18 For heaven knows how many times now, despite the fact
that you once again claim I have never explained it at all, it
would be idiotic or dishonest to assume that the people who
would pay taxes to make good on the government's
borrowing money from the SS surplus are the same people
who would receive the receipts in SS payouts.

8/24 That means the wealthy got a double
bonanza, first from the tax cuts that mostly went to them and that
ran up much of the debt, and then another bonanza of grabbing
the surplus money paid into SS by the middle class, not by them,
to finance future operations and relieving them of paying taxes to
support those future operations.

8/24 Those inflows are money paid by the middle class to support
SS, plus interest on the money the government borrowed from
the money the middle class paid. That does not justify the
government confiscating that money so that the upper tax
brackets who did not contribute much to the SS surplus can
use it to also avoid paying progressive taxes for future
government. I guess you'll never understand that, or at least
never admit it.

8/24 I've said to you at least five times, probably more, that
SS
will have to be paid back the debt the government incurred
by borrowing from it, as the money is needed. That payback
will have to be financed by general taxation or by running up
debt, unless you can think of something else other than
welching on the debt and screwing retirees, which seems to
be what you'd prefer.
.
A whole lot of words, words, and yet more words...including some
talking
about socioeconomic classes...but nary a mention of the American
taxpayer.
So where among all these words are those which you suddenly lead to
to
say

"I said it was the American taxpayer who had to pay all along"?

I submit that while I've been citing the American taxpayer throughout
this
discussion, you've - deliberately or otherwise - avoided that term
until
your above quote. And if you did mention it previously, then why
doesn't
it
appear among all these words that you've dragged out?

And do note, please, that the talking about a subset does not at all
discuss
the set to which that subset belongs. It is the subset that inherits
the
characteristics of the set, not the other way around.

I'll grant that I didn't use the phrase "American taxpayer"
when it couldn't be anything other than "American taxpayer"
that I was talking about. However, you didn't specify
"non-comatose American taxpayer", which is also an
essential quality, so you've been equally incomplete in
your characterization. That makes your whole position
just as unintelligible to anyone as mindlessly committed
as yourself to not understanding the sense when the
exact term they retroactively require wasn't used.

Nope - all you cited were various subsets of the American taxpayer.
And
as
I noted, the set does not inherit the characteristics of the subset.

That's because a monolithic "American Taxpayer" is
nothing but your own fantasy. I'll try to get hold of Scotty,
maybe he can beam you back.

[chuckle]

....and I note that you haven't responded at all to my request:

"Now cite, please, another instance where the American taxpayer has to
pay
for something already paid."

You did snip it out very nicely, though.

second [chuckle]

To create "the American taxpayer" and lump myself and
John D. Rockefeller under that umbrella as if everything the
government does affects us equally is too silly for words.
Different kinds of taxes certainly do not affect myself and
John D. Rockefeller equally. Nobody but a fool, a
charlatan, or someone not quite right in the head would
argue otherwise.

That's just the latest in a wandering chain of absurdities,
including the hopeless strut with which you tried to support
the above: applying inheritance of mathematical sets from
above human society where the structure evolves from
below. That would be crazy even for a crazy person if
you believed it, but you can't really be that crazy.

Well, that's it, not there's much hope you'll understand
it, you'll be too busy flying around in fantasyland, feet
firmly off the ground. I'll take Socrates' advice from now
on, as other people more wisely did much earlier.

third [chuckle]

Yet once again, you so obviously having ducked once more....

"....and I note that you haven't responded at all to my request:

" "Now cite, please, another instance where the American taxpayer has to pay
for something already paid."

"You did snip it out very nicely, though."


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