Re: Barack Obama - Charming Liar - And Budding Fascist?
- From: mg <mgkelson@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:23:09 -0700 (PDT)
On Aug 21, 9:22 am, Allan <allan.san...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:41 am, mg <mgkel...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Mussolini said, ""Fascism should more properly be called corporatism
On Aug 21, 3:16 am, El Castor <No_...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Check out this audio from a radio program broadcast on Air America,
the liberal talk show network. Progressives repeatedly refer to Obama
as a liar, and suggest that he is flirting with fascism.http://www.breitbart.tv/charming-liar-progressives-turn-on-obama-as-a...
George W. Bush and the 14 points of fascism:
Bush?
The discussion is about Obamacare:
Obamacare - is it "fascism"?
"Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic
processes through direct state operation of the means of production,
fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of
nominally private owners."
You can keep your health care plan, your doctor...but there's a
"public plan"
"Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so
implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national
interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it".
Universal care, pre-existing conditions, and comparative effectiveness
"Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left
the appearance of market relations while planning all economic
activities."
The creation of the health care Czar and the "Essential Benefits
Package"
"Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the
monetary system and set all prices and wages politically."
Setting of loss ratio for insurers and prices for services, limiting
cost-sharing....
"In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace.
Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than
consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions."
If the shoe fits......
Allan
because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
According to Wikipedia, fascism is usually associated with the far
right, not the far left: "The term far right is mostly used to
describe fascism, Nazism and other ultra-nationalist as well as
reactionary ideologies and movements.[4][5][6][7]."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right
The American system has always been based on a combination of
ideologies and common sense in order to determine what works best.
Usually, business and corporations can do things better, but sometimes
the government does things better.
When people become so indoctrinated into extremist, rightwing ideology
they believe the government does NOTHING at all better and they set
out to cripple or destroy it by gutting agencies, hiring cronies, and
allowing corporations to become too big to fail, the incompetence of
government becomes self-fulfilling prophecy. Katrina is an example.
Another example is when the Bush administration changed the rules to
allow investment banks to leverage to 40 to 1. Still another example
is when the Bush administration threatened to sue the states if they
enacted consumer protection laws during the subprime mortgage fiasco.
A good example of artificial control of the economy is when Greenspan
encouraged those subprime loans and kept interest rates artificially
low, all based on his belief in corporatism, the invisible hand, and
the Ayn Rand ideology. Another good example of corporatism and fascism
is the renaming of French Fries, all the flag waving, and the breaking
of french wine bottles to whip the populace up into a war against the
oil-rich nation of Iraq that resulted in huge corporate profits. When
you mix religion with fascism in the U.S., by the way, you get
Christofascism and a situation for example, where congress holds a
special session and Bush makes a special flight to Washington from his
ranch, to keep a brain-dead woman alive and interfere with a states
judicial system and the right of a husband and a doctor to make
decisions about what is right and what is wrong.
You can read more about Christofascism at the following website, by
the way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to
make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and
other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on
clothing and in public displays.
2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of
enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are
persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of
"need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of
torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The
people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to
eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or
religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists,
etc.
4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of
government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and
military service are glamorized.
5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be
almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional
gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as
is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled
by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly
controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople
and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational
tool by the government over the masses
8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist
nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool
to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is
common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the
religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or
actions.
9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business
aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the
government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/
government relationship and power elite.
10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of
labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions
are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to
promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.
It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored
or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and
governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the
police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people
are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil
liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police
force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always
are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each
other to government positions and use governmental power and authority
to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in
fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be
appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are
a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear
campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use
of legislation to control voting numbers or political district
boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also
typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htmhttp://www.oldamericancent...
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