Re: Jimmy Carter!!

Hal Hanig wrote:
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:59:11 -0400, "Hal Hanig"
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:33:14 -0400, "Hal Hanig"
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Justine wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:20:52 -0400, Gary <not@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:50:44 -0500, High Miles
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Evelyn wrote:
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Alan - - Jimmy Carter is in the middle East yet again. This is the
Jimmy Carter who, not too long ago, put a wreath on Arafat's
grave!! -
He (Jimmy) sent a message to Obama to please remove Hamas from the
terrorist list!!!
What I wish for Jimmy is unprintable!!
Olly
He is a truly great statesman and ambassador.

Perhaps our most genuinely intellectual president.
I never voted for Carter, as GA governor or president. Looking back
... I regret it.
Although I disagreed with him politically (when I was younger and
dumber) -- I must admit that Carter was probably the only honest man
who held the office of POTUS in my lifetime. And that time frame
stretches from FDR til now.

Gary, did you ever know a village idiot who was dishonest? They are
simple folk.
Justine

Bet you've never known anyone as intelligent or decent as Carter.
And what have you done for humanity in all your years here ?
I don't know that I'd give him high grades for intelligence. He was a
nuclear submarine officer who never was good enough to entrusted with the
command of one, and I think that he was in over his head when he was
elected
to the Oval Office. He may have been decent, but apart from his
post-Presidential contribution to Habitat for Humanity, please share with
me
some of the wonderful legacy such an intelligent man would have left
behind
after his term of office was completed. I can't think of a single thing
beyond Billy Beer, management of the White House tennis court schedule and
a
botched rescue attempt of our Embassy hostages in Iran most generally
attributed to micro mis-management from the Oval Office rather than any
lack
of skill or ineptness by those assigned to make the rescue. Anwar Sadat
used him to create the Camp David Accords which resulted in Sadat
receiving
the Nobel Peace Prize jointly with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin
and
which, in retrospect didn't change a single thing in the Middle East apart
>from Sadat's assassination.
I just cannot think of anything he did as President that reflected
anything
of value to the nation or the world, for that matter.

Hal
The vast majority of Nuclear Sub officers never command one. There
aren't all that many to command.
THumper
But the cream invariably does rise to the top.....they're the few that do
get selected. Jimmy wasn't one of them.

Hal

I disagree. The cream does NOT always rise to the top. Not al;l
officers yearn to be in command of a ship. He was an engineering
type.
Thumper
I choose my words pretty carefully......"invariably" does NOT mean "always", as you seem to think. I use in in the sense of "usually", but that's still not "always".

IAC, as a retired military type, let me reassure you that most (and I do not mean "all") officers consider a command as a prerequisite for a continued successful career, and that would include those performing duties in engineering, human resource, and logistics fields as well as others. It may be something else nowadays, but that's the way it was in my day.

Hal
The Navy, like any other human organization is subject to the politics of advancement. There are many reasons for an individual to elect some other career path rather than command. A good friend of mine, Annapolis graduate, father an admiral, served on boomers, elected to leave the Navy, attend Harvard, and achieve success in business. It was a choice, probably not a lot different from Carter's choice. The fact that he did not choose to climb the career ladder in the Navy is not evidence, in itself, that he was not qualified.

Carter assumed the Presidency at a time of crisis and faced many challenges. In many respects, he inherited the mess left by the Republican administrations of Nixon and Ford. As we look back now, he was right in a lot of his decisions, but right doesn't always count for much in the eyes of history. To his credit, he did not retire, but continued work in many areas including as a statesman. I cannot think of any other President who did as much good after serving as the Chief Executive. Can you?

The quality of his post-Presidency service has already been acknowledged. What's still open to discussion are those good things that his supporters claim he did while in office.......I asked for the list but it has yet to appear. Feel free to enlighten me and his other misguided critics who think poorly of his service while he presided over the worst inflation our nation ever suffered....at least in my lifetime.

Hal


Yes, I was in DC at the time and recall seeing a bank offering 32% interest on short term notes.

But, it is not the worst inflation you have seen. While inflation reached 14.76% in March of 1980, it was considerably higher, 19.67% in March of 1947.

The major criticism of Carter is that he was not able to stem inflation despite cutting federal spending (and reducing the deficit), capping federal salaries, and other measures within his control. The surprising thing is that inflation ended fairly quickly in 1982 after Carter's administration despite the massive Reagan tax cuts in that same year which would be expected to be inflationary! It is argued by some economists (Friedman, for example) that the inflation seen in '79 through '81 were the consequence of monetary policy in the early '70s when inflation was not seen as such a bad thing. Friedman was constantly at odds with Fed Chairman Burns, Nixon appointee. In fact, the monetary policies of Nixon and Ford in their efforts to pump up the post Vietnam economy were seen as a direct cause. It is reasonable to argue that the end of the high inflation was, in fact, due to Carter's (actually Volker's) efforts. Reagan took the credit (just as he took the credit for freeing the Iranian hostages), but didn't deserve it.
.

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