Re: Has anybody thought about race ?

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:55:25 -0400, Gary <not@xxxxxxxx> wrote:


OK, I'll admit it's not a subject that I have ever looked at except
from the point of view of a white Southerner. In other words, it's
not that I am a racist so much -- but that I am closed minded on the
subject. But then, I hope I'm never too old to learn.

I ran across this fellows site and I have to admit he makes some good
arguments that are founded -- not on liberal ideology -- but on
history and common sense.

The chapter "The Nature Of The South" is pretty much history as I have
learned it in recent years. As much as most of us hate to admit it,
most of American culture was founded and nurtured on racist attitudes.

http://www.vernonjohns.org/vernjohns/sthtofc.html

I dunno. Race is a complex issue and we all have our own knitting -
so to speak. It is just so damn complex and I believe we humans have
deep seated wiring that makes us react to others based on much more
then socialization. Question to me seems more often, what is the
point? This site is too damn pseudo-intellectual for me.

What is the point? I did glance at a couple items and seems to me he
is no different then me in having some understanding of history and he
seems as confused as everybody else.

I go back to my own history and my study of human history.

1. Humans want to pass on their unique genetics and the only way is
to develop some strategy that works. Such strategies must involve
both impregnation AND doing whatever is possible to insure the
resulting child survives to be able to repeat the process. Men and
women have different advantages and disadvantages in such process and
take different strategies. Societies are formed based on these
realities and certainly others not related to just reproduction. But,
I have a notion that reproduction is at the heart of our wiring and we
are just confused about our wiring in most cases.

2. Human (men) do not welcome strangers coming into their tribal areas
screwing around with their women or children. Turf (territory) is
critical to providing the basics any animal needs to thrive including
food, shelter, etc. So men consider the strategies in dealing with
others who come near them. I believe the basic strategy is just kill
or drive any competion far away is the first instinct. But, we can
also ally with, trade with, or try to just suffer neighbors as well
depending on advantages and disadvantages.

3. Women can be more welcoming and strangers present opportunities to
strengthen their future generations. So, they look at the 'tall dark
stranger' differently I believe. I believe most women are as as
inclined to promiscuity as men are, but restrain based on other
factors.

4. Women will try to neuter or neutralize men in today's world when
it comes to dealing with those different. After all, they are wired
to consider the possibilities of the stranger. Thus, under all the
societial, political and other bull***, we have basic human,
survival-level, instincts that are pounding away in our brains.

5. Race today all depends on perspective I think. Where is one place
financially, socially, and by gender plays a factor in determining how
they deal with race and how they develop strategies to complete their
life's purpose of reproduction.

6. Any man or woman who is well off financially has all the
opportunities to find a partner and reproduce. The problem today is
one never really knows if their partner is picking up genetics
elsewhere and they are stuck with the costs. But, strong finances are
greater insurance in the game. These people can afford, genetically,
to be tolerant and encourage racial harmony and all the bull*** about
everybody loving everybody. But, let their wife turn up with a kid of
another race and they will hold the same racial anger as any other
person. The wife could have gotten away with it had she instead
picked a guy similar to her mate, and fooled him perhaps. But, no
ambiguity on extra-racial event.

7. Poor black and whites have different challenges. Consider how
many black males have many different women pregnant including women of
other races. It is a common complaint of black women that black men
are incredibly successful at this. It is not just the high profile
black atheletes and entertainers who have kids everywhere, it is also
many of the poorest drug dealers and pimps. It was the guy working at
a fast food counter next door to a store our company owned. He had 5
kids by several different black women.

8. There are many ways to consider race. But, I believe that under
it all is basic human biology in conflict with modernity. It would be
much easier to just kill the stranger and be done with it. The windy
items posted at your reference site are too convoluted and long for
me. I don't much care what this or that black leader said or did or
what someone did or said about it. It is meaningless in the long
course of human history.

All of us are racists I believe. We only take other views when we can
afford to do so. If we are doing well in the world economically and
have resources to insure our children thrive, we can be mighty big
about racial harmony.

If you want a real view of racial tolerance and open mindedness, look
to our elections. How many white people vote for Asians, blacks,
Hispanics and such when there is a clear choice between someone of
their race and another? How many black people vote for whites,
Asians, blacks, Hispanics when there is a choice between a black
person and a person of another race? And what is the financial and
other data on those voting for either candidate???

It gets to same thing with hiring in the federal government. I've
given the example before at federal organization where wife works.
Every person hired in past five years by black supervisors has been
black such that three related branches have about 90% black employees
today. They see black applicants as always superior. Why? goes back
to our wiring and desire for survival I believe. We have to insure
our tribe survives if our individual genetics is to survive. Children
from within our tribe will be strengthened by our genetics as it is
passed back and forth again and again over the generations.

lol In doing genealogy work, I have seen many times where a daughter
or son will marry into a neighboring family only to have a grandchild
marry back into the first family. Kissing cousins is much more the
rule in old societies and on one site that lists about 15 major
families going back eight or so generations, most of those folks are
related in repeated crossovers. Thus, marriage to someone within
one's tribe or close kin tribe will include more genetics then some
new racial component coming in from the outside.

But, I am not going to invest any more time reading that site.
Pointless in my view as I do not believe in everybody loving everybody
any more then I believe liberals here will ever like any of us. They
hate our guts with great passion. We are their visceral enemy. Not
much difference is my guess from racial harmony
.

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