Re: Choice electrician's apprenticeship job opens up on the North Slope (high school diploma required)

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:36:36 -0800, Islander <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:01:23 -0500, "Hal Hanig"
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:28:57 -0800, Islander <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Thumper I have known many people who were not college educated
but who made
very nice money and had successful business and career in their
lives. It
isn't the only way to go.

Just for laughs, I, OTOH, have known many people who were college
educated and were in largest part abysmal failures. I laughingly
label them "educated nincompoops" and try to avoid publically
identifying them.....because they know who they are.
(^v^)))))

Hal

What?s the point of going to school or trying hard? Just become a
reality show contestant or pull some dumb stunt to get attention and
you can get whatever job you want. And that is true because Joe the
Plumber just got a job as a war
correspondent. Some demented right wing website is sending him to
Israel for 10 days to report on the war. I kid you not.

With any luck he'll land instead in the middle of the Gaza Strip.
All Hamas needs to know is to look for the guy who looks like
Mr. Clean.

Or maybe he will become Joe the Hostage.

It is sad. Kids see a few individuals strike it rich on reality TV
or in sports but they don't understand the odds against them. They
grow up dreaming dreams, but don't have a clue about what the first
step might be.

The hardest job that I had with my kids was teaching them synthesis.
How do you find the steps to reach a goal? I wish that teaching it
was required in high school. It is an important life skill.

I am especially impatient with parents who convince their kids that
Algebra or Trig is difficult or that it has no real world
application. What can they be thinking? For me, mathematics was a
gateway. It was a way into a whole new world and I couldn't get
enough of it.


Islander, there are plenty of people who did it differently..... and
were successful. My grandkids are seemingly ready to follow the
traditional path like you did. They love science and are brilliant
boys. But not everyone goes the same way. We do need plumbers and
carpenters, mechanics and electricians and techie types, etc. etc. etc.


Yes, and we also need philosophers, historians, artists, and
musicians. I am only pleading that parents not tell their kids that
some subjects are difficult or irrelevant. My pet peeve is
discouraging kids from learning mathematics and especially high school
subjects like Algebra, Trig or Geometry. I have done plumbing,
carpentry, mechanics and electrical wiring. Use of these basic math
skills gives one an advantage over those who cannot. Have you ever
seen a carpenter work out the angles needed to build a dormer, for
example?


Yes, and I also saw a mason build steps that no two ended up at the same
height! Math is really important in almost any job. Strange to say
all these years I have worked in accounting type jobs, but without a
calculator I am nearly a cripple. I can still do things manually, but
it takes me forever, and I still check it carefully with a calculator.
Math was never my best subject. I am an artist, and a good BS-er. :-)

My son is as stubborn as I am and we had an interesting experience early
in his education. His school was experimenting with the New Math and
rather than simply memorizing the addition and multiplication tables, he
was struggling with number systems, different bases and some very
fundamental stuff that I didn't encounter until college level. He
didn't understand why he couldn't simply use a calculator.

We compromised by allowing him to use the calculator to check his results.

I admire anyone who can be an artist. For me, it is far too subjective.
What is good, what is not? Who knows? Way too uncertain for me.
Mathematics is solid. What is true is forever true. No uncertainty.
One can depend on mathematics!


I like what Philip Glass (most famous work: Koyaanisqatsi) said,
that his music is what he does. Some people like it, some people
think it's crap. You'll have to decide for yourself. I at first
thought it was crap, but I've changed my mind at least to some
extent now.

Andy Warhol said that you shouldn't worry too much all the
time about what you're doing, just get to it and do it. There's a
lot to be said for that, I think. You might end up like Hamlet if
you really have work to do that might be important, but waste
your time instead thinking about it too much.



And, I acknowledge that this says a great deal about my insecurities!

.

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