Re: Microsoft to release patch for IE flaw

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Matthew Scott wrote:


Glenn missed commenting on the most obvious flaw in Firefox: it is coded by ignorant, uneducated Southerners, whereas M$oft Internet Explorer is coded by highly educated and sophisticated Northern intellectuals.

That is obviously the most cogent reason for trusting M$oft Internet Explorer and its update regime and rejecting the patently inferior Firefox. After all, standards must be maintained.

Oh my.
When you put it that way, the choice is clear.
Ignore Glenn and his comments on this subject. :-)


Do that at your own peril for it was my business to be an expert in this area. Stick with Apple or Microsoft because they, not the Unix crowd, ran IBM out of the PC business. Next time you are reentering data, reloading programs or restarting the system don't blame anyone but yourself.

You've been out of the business for too long, Glenn. Apple's System X is based on Unix. IBM has been using Unix for a long time. Most internet servers are running Unix or Unix derivatives. Even Microsoft is starting to change their tune about open source code.

"Microsoft has given its most ringing endorsement of open source Web browsers to date with chief executive officer Steve Ballmer not ruling out adopting such technology as an alternative to its own popular Internet Explorer, saying it is "interesting"."

http://www.techworld.com.au/article/266449/microsoft_interested_open_source_browser_ballmer


Apple had no choice but to use Unix's as a base but it wasn't chosen based on technical considerations -- Jobs or whoever, ran out of money. IBM and DEC used Unix because their customers had grown accustom to undisciplined, free software, both however, noted it was poorly suited to computer OS. Now that there are no other choices, where is Microsoft to go? The best and the brightest no longer have any say in operating systems, but management and MBA accounting that determines the choices.

As with so many things, there was a point when it all went wrong: Sometime in the seventies, I had a conversation with the 8120, whatever IBM's first PC was named -- the one with APL, basic, tape and larger screen, project manager and he noted that marketing refused to let him sell it at what the projected costs would be but at what the immediate costs were. Had management listened to him, the world of OS would never have heard of Unix. (I won't divulge the 8100 OS architecture, but the design came from Rochester.)

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Glenn



Sorry, bad memory, that was the 5100, 5110 and 5120 with the 5100 released in 1975. I programmed a little in APL on a 5110. APL isn't particularly difficult but one must use it exclusively or not at all.

"APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a new generation of coding bums." Edsger Dijkstra, 1968


APL was an engineering design language. As I recall, Dijkdtra was a programmer, most noted for structured, top down programming and minimum instruction set. To the best of my knowledge, no programmer ever produced anything without first creating an OS to avoid having to think about hardware, maybe just to avoid having to think.


Dijkstra, a mere programmer? Gasp, sputter, choke! Do you know nothing about the field that you pretend to speak for?

Dijkstra was a researcher in Computer Science and is credited with a long string of innovations including several primary algorithms. His more recent work was in the field of multi-processing including the development of fundamental algorithms and methods for interactions between operating systems that run concurrently on multiple machines.

He was a giant in the field.

Regarding APL, I knew several very talented people who liked it, but all would concede that it was so difficult to read that it was of value only to the person writing the code, and then only if he/she could recall what the hell it was supposed to do. It was a language that was ideally suited to those who delighted in writing something in the fewest lines of code that could be used to stump their colleagues when asked, "What does it do?"
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