Re: The South Shall Rise Again

Rita wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:35:27 -0500, Alan Lichtenstein <arl@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Rita wrote:


On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:32:26 -0500, Alan Lichtenstein <arl@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:



Gary wrote:



On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:45:22 -0500, Alan Lichtenstein <arl@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:




Still smarting from their defeat in 1861, a group of Southern Senators has finally banded together to attempt to achieve what the Army of Virginia, under Robert E. Lee failed to do 140 years ago. Bring down the United States.


Bring down ? Be fair. It was not the South who invaded the North
with dreams of murder, rape, arson and theft. That was left to
Lincoln's hirelings.

Perhaps Glen may have a point about Southern Education. It does appear that they have a significantly revisionist( and wrong ) view of the historical events. I seem to recall somewhere that it was the Southern States which seceded from the Union and Southern interests which fired the first shots in anger of the Civil War. Had these events NOT transpired, nothing which followed would.



In today's WSJ, it was reported that the block of obstructionist Republican Senators, all from the South and all from so-called 'right-to-work' states, in which we find SIGNIFICANT numbers of FOREIGN auto manufacturer's plants, have banded together and reinvigorated the Southern plantation mentality of free( well almost free ) labor. The Journal article infers that these Southern Senators have responded to the call to the colors and are vigorously pursuing an anti-labor position aimed particularly at Northern interests.

a little further digging into their campaign contribution filings, reveals that all these senators have received significant contributions

from these foreign auto manufacturers, and are no doubt, doing their



bidding. The population should be cognizant of this in understanding the true motivation of these individuals. What appears to be the most humorous contradiction in the behavior of these turncoat senators is that they would be the first to stand up for the flag and motherhood and all that, but yet now when they have the opportunity to really stand up for the American economy, quickly sold out to foreign interests. Clearly, they would have no problem bringing down the American economy so long as they could bring down the unions first.

For the rest of the jealous crowd, angry that the union negotiated benefits of UAW members far outstrip theirs should take a step back and ask themselves, what would happen if the American auto industry, and other American manufacturing companies go bust. Just imaging, the U.S. Army having Toyota build its tanks, instead of Chrysler; having Honda build its trucks instead of Ford and GM. And further down the road, Mitsuibishi build our military aircraft instead of Boeing and Lockheed. Can we maintain a military if foreigners control the means of production? If you think so, then I have a bridge to sell all you false patriots...cheap.

Wake up and smell the coffee. This is totally about union busting, and nothing more. Those who line up on the side of the auto companies are lining up on the side of America. The others, clearly aren't, despite how they want to rationalize it.


I've not seen Bush do anything in the past that I considered
intelligent. But if he actually gives money to the Autos, that
will be a stroke of genius. It will all play out as a plus for
the GOP. The Southern senators can go home to the cheers of the anti
union people -- while the Democrats look weak and in disarray for not
being able to get their Congress to act. Bush will make them look
even worse when he does act. Next year the Republican will be
remembered as the party that saved the Big Three AND the UAW. Not bad for a lame duck.

Actually, no, Gary. If you recall correctly, it was the Democrats who proposed using the TARP funds initially without having to pass special legislation, and it was Bush who wanted such legislation. Now it appears that it is Bush who had to accede to the Democrats initial proposal.

In any event, it really doesn't matter, because in this instance, Bush actually stood up for America, recognizing the need for an AMERICAN auto industry. Pity these SOUTHERN Republicans have more concern for FOREIGN interests than for their own country's. IMHO, they should have to register as agents for a foreign government. Because they're certainly acting as such. And if you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you too...even cheaper.


If I lived in a Southern state I wouldn't cheerlead the Republican
legislators from those states on because their obstructionist tactics
in the midst of an enormous economic crisis will almost guarantee
the South will become more and more irrelevant in national elections.

If the Republican party as a whole wants to take that route it is OK
with me because a short term victory as in the present case will come
back to haunt them.

McCain lost, it should be remembered, for a number of reasons but high
among them was his cluelessness on economic matters. Even the average
voter, not schooled in economics, could tell there was no "there"
there in McCain's understanding of the faltering economy.

And from what I've read, if the U.S.auto industry goes out of
existence the foreign automakers that operate in Southern states are
not going to gain because along with the auto makers will come the
collapse of their suppliers' firms in huge numbers and this will
impact the foreign firms very adversely. It is a no win across the
board.

Rita, this entire scenario is a race against January 20. The anti-labor forces, which include the foreign auto firms and their obstructionist Republican lackeys know that the jig is up if GM( and by connection, the UAW ) manages to exist beyond that month. Because by then, it is evident that new labor laws will be passed, first making union organizing far easier, and second, chipping away at the anti-labor, right to work laws. So these guys HAVE to push now, because they don't have much time. In order for them to succeed, GM has to enter bankruptcy BEFORE Congress and the presidency changes.

These jokers don't care if they bring the whole country down so long as they bring the UAW down first. I find that ludicrous that a bunch of flag-waving Republicans are acting NOT in the interests of America, but in the interests of foreign companies.



We grew a solid middle class with union labor. And those who worked
in businesses and industries not subject to unionization benefited
from it as the unions set a floor - they benefited without paying
union dues and apparently believed their employers were simply
generous rather than being forced to compete by offering something union wages and benefits.

Yes, I believe under the Obama more unionization will take place. So
I agree the motive behind this current fight is forestall that.

Hopefully Bush does recognize the meltdown that would take place if
the big 3 go bankrupt and will come up with some measure to prevent
that until Obama takes over. I admit to being suprised he sees this
(Bush, that is) but I expect he recognizes his legacy is tarnished
enough already.

It has already been reported that Bush has agreed to give the auto companies 15 billion out of the TARP. That should keep them going until the end of March, and consequently give Obama and the Democrats an opportunity to move quickly. It will be far easier for the Democrats to swing one Republican after January 1, to preclude these obstructionist lackeys of foreign governments to prevent the necessary legislation.

Bush, to his credit, recognized that saving the auto companies is in the interests of America, and acted accordingly.
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