Re: Universal Healthcare Flops In Massachusetts

On 21 oct, 18:57, Sheila <swdal...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jason wrote:
The unfortunate incidents you recorded could happen under both private and
government  health care. A significant number of physicians in the US would
prefer a national health plan.
http://www.pnhp.org/

In private health care, I have a choice of providers, so I don't have to
go to a Doctor that is sloppy and doesn't care,  I can choose a
qualified Doctor where I have control of my care.  I can choose my
insurance provider too.

When you go to a single payer system, you had to take that coverage that
they decide, hence no choice.  Your taxes will increase to support this
system due to everyone being insured without all paying into it.  Your
insurance company will decide if they will pay or will not pay for
procedures that you may need and you don't have a choice of insurance plans.

All in all, I prefer the private system.







"This is because private insurance bureaucracy and paperwork consume
one-third (31 percent) of every health care dollar. Streamlining payment
through a single nonprofit payer would save more than $350 billion per year,
enough to provide comprehensive, high-quality coverage for all Americans."

Doctors and hospitals in the United States
must deal with hundreds of different insurance plans (at least 755 in
Seattle alone), each with different coverage and payment rules and referral
networks that must be tracked.

"Sheila" <swdal...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Jason wrote:
In a government run plan the doctors concentrate on providing services,
including setting wait times. Insurance companies aren't needed since
everyone wants health coverage and there is no need to pay commissions to
insurance agents .Government employees ensure bills submitted by doctors
for the services they performed are consistent with the universal plan's
coverage.

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[Default] On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:25:40 -0700, El Castor
<No_...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hmmm, let's see. Hawaii passes universal child healthcare, and has
to
cancel the program after just seven months because it was
bankrupting
them. Massachusetts passes universal healthcare and people can't
get a
doctor and those who do have a doctor have to wait more than 3
months
for an appointment. This is the marvelous thing that's going to
take
the pressure off the ERs? Is this what we have to look forward to
with
Obama care? It sure is.

"Across Mass., wait to see doctors grows
Access to care, insurance law cited for delays

By Liz Kowalczyk, Globe Staff  |  September 22, 2008

The wait to see primary care doctors in Massachusetts has grown to
as
long as 100 days, while the number of practices accepting new
patients
has dipped in the past four years, with care the scarcest in some
rural areas.

Now, as the state's health insurance mandate threatens to make a
chronic doctor shortage worse, the Legislature has approved an
unprecedented set of financial incentives for young physicians, and
other programs to attract primary care doctors. But healthcare
leaders
fear the new measures will take several years to ease the shortage.

Senate President Therese Murray, who championed the legislation,
said
that many of the roughly 439,000 people who obtained health
coverage
under the 2006 insurance law are struggling to find a doctor. "You
can
take a look at the whole state and you are not going to find a
primary
care physician anytime soon," she said in an interview. "It became
apparent very quickly that we needed to do something."
more ...
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2008/09/22/across_mass_wai...
They don't hear you Jeff.  They have their fingers in their ears and
are screaming Naa naa naa naa naa and waiting for The One's rise to
sainthood.

We are fucked so bad.
Medical professionals go to school for a very long time, some an
extremely long time, and they simply are not going to work for
government wages and I don't blame them. They will simply leave the
healthcare field and go into research and make millions more than
they make now.
Good point!  During college, we had a Doctor that provided health
services to students.  I went to this Doctor a couple times for muscle
spasms and I know what there were, because my family Doctor had
diagnosed them.  Well, it made him made when I told him I had muscle
spasms and needed something for them.  And there was the time I went
to him when  a ring I was wearing got caught on something and cut into
my finger pretty bad.  Well, he wrapped a piece of dirty string around
my knuckle, which was badly swollen and then put the sting under my
ring. His theory was that he would pull on the string and the ring
would pop off.  After about ten minutes of his trying to pull this
string, which caused the ring to dig deeper and deeper into the cut, I
told him to quit.  Well, he got mad and left. Someone from the school
ended up cutting the ring off my finger.

Then a friend of mine and I both broke our legs within days of each
other.  This school doctor set her leg.  Mine was set by a private
Doctor in the emergency room that my Dad took me too.  The next week,
my friend's cast actually came apart and fell off.  Don't ask me how
this could happen, but it did.
That's easy. People that work for governments have on average an
education equivilent of 70% of their counterparts in private industry,
work for wages the equivilent of 70% of those in private industry and
the equipment they use comes from the lowest bidder.

Don't forget that there is not a financial incentive for a govt. payed
Doctor to do his/her best job.  There is not an incentive to give good
service and to work hard as there is in private practice.

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Sheila
http://swdalton.com

Go back in this thread, to my post at 5:25, I related my experience under
govt. paid health care.  It was not pretty.

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In France we have our choice of doctors. Doctors are either paid by
the state, or a combination of state and private pay, or completely
private pay. We have used the services of all of them and the fees run
between 22 euros to about 150 euros. We have private health insurance
which cost about 120 euros/month; it covers what the state does not
includng medical labs, X rays, etc. The state pays for perscription
drugs. We have both been hospitalized for eye surgery and I thought
the treatment was top notch. in France doctors are GP's and
specialists just as in the US. Sure our tax burden is heavier, but in
the long run it is cheaper. Oh did I mention that medical malpractice
suits are not a cottage industry in France. American medical services
are ridiculously expensive.
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