Re: Obama and DNC:Too late to apologize

On Jun 11, 11:25 am, Thumper <jaylsm...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT),al Guacamole<a...@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:



On Jun 10, 10:15 am, Rita <R...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:53:03 -0700 (PDT),al Guacamole<a...@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jun 9, 1:01 pm, Rumpelstiltskin
<PleaseDoNotReplyByEm...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT),al Guacamole<a...@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jun 9, 9:21 am, Thumper <jaylsm...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT), j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jun 8, 4:48 pm, "free.tun...@xxxxxxxxx" <free.tun...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Jun 8, 2:27 pm, "Angelocracy.com" <dumpd...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Unity in the party and Obama winning in Nov are both fairy tales. You
have democrats on the air 24/7 talking about unity, talking about
doing the right thing. All this talk of unity would not me needed if
this had been a fair election. Obama and the DNC did not care about
doing the right thing when it came to Florida and Michigan . Hillary
Clinton won, more people voted for her. Hillary Clinton wanted to keep
fighting on to Denver. Leaders in the DNC used strong arm tactics to
make her pull out of the race. Obama and the DNC don't care about the
voters, democracy, justice or fairness.

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/

This was a PRIMARY, not a General Election. The states of Florida and
Michigan screwed over their own voters. They are the ones ,who need to
apologize. Electoral votes count in primaries. Hillary did do her
best. She did not fold without a fight and she proved her concern for
the American people as being her first concern. Obama did not even
have his name of the ballot in Florida because he followed the pre-
established rules.

First of all, like obama you don't have any clue what you are talking
about.
Obama was on the ballot in Florida. He took his name off the ballot in
Michigan.

Second the rules did not say he had to take his name off the ballot in
Michigan. He did so because he is fool.

He did so because he believed in the rules. It seems you think that
playing by the rules is foolish and trying to change the rules after
the fact is a good thing to do. You know what? The Republican party
is more suited to your morals.
Thumper

Those are the facts, the truth.

So don't come up in here talking that trash.

It's all politics. Rules only need to be reconsidered if they make a
difference. In another case with Obama behind, I'm sure he would have
wanted the rules committee to include Florida and Michigan voters. The
unfair part about the Michigan rules committee decision is that they
took four delegates from Clinton. She had won those delegates fairly
and the rules committee was out of line here.

This was not the Hillary team's finest hour, IMO.
Everybody in the Democratic establishment agreed that
Florida and Michigan wouldn't count because they had
flaunted the agreement. You can't penalize Obama
after the fact for not campaigning (or even being on
the ballot) in states where it was understood beforehand
that the delegates would not count.

No. That's not the concern. The concern was how to count it.
Naturally the media played it as a no count. What did they really
know, they were completely off in predicting the final count. The
problem is that the primary is determined by the state govt and not
the party. Why should party members and a candidate (Clinton for
losing 4 delegates) be penalized for someone else's mistake?

I don't see anyone fussing about this anymore -- Obama won the
most pledged delegates and superdelegates and reached the magic
number and thus the four votes you say Clinton should have been
given would not change the result.

Clinton sent a letter recently to all her pledged and superdelegates
urging them to vote for Obama at the convention. She is smart enough
to know when it is over and that continual carping by her followers
will only damage her future political career. You might take heed,
Alvin.

Since you support Obama, why should you even care about this?

Since you support Clinton you refuse to see the facts. The facts are
that she doesn't give a shit about the rights of the delegates. She
simply saw that according to the rules set LAST YEAR before anyone
voted, she was losing. She then tried to get the rules changed to
benefit her. It shows an appalling lack of dignity. Should we all
teach our children to forget the rules if they don't benefit you over
your competition.
Thumper

Don't Democrats believe even one small injustice should be corrected?
We should teach our children that and not to give up the fight against
injustice. Clinton is perfectly right to stand up for her rights. It's
lucky you aren't instructing my children.
.

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