Re: Judge Decides She Can't Traumatize Innocent Little Children Anymore and Sends Them Home


"El Castor" <No_One@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:0i6b4413hulihc1k9ik4pi4d4dkkcanfk3@xxxxxxxxxx
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:59:43 GMT, "JC" <dontbother@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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"El Castor" <No_One@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:56:35 GMT, "JC" <dontbother@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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"toci" <gina39d@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 1:39 pm, "mg" <mgkel...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I suspect the right-wingers are totally confused and still
trying to figure out why it's OK to launch a preemptive,
illegal war against Iraq, but can't get away with launching
a little bitty, preemptive raid against the people on the
FLDS compound:

"Texas judge orders return of polygamists' children

By MICHELLE ROBERTS - 2 hours ago

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - A judge on Monday ordered the
return of more than 400 children taken from their parents at
a polygamist group's ranch because of suspected abuse,
bringing an abrupt end to one of the largest custody cases
in U.S. history.

The order signed by Texas District Judge Barbara Walther,
responding to a state Supreme Court ruling last week,
allowed parents in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints to pick up their children from foster
care facilities around the state almost immediately.

In exchange for regaining custody, the parents are not
allowed to leave Texas without court permission and must
participate in parenting classes. They were also ordered not
to interfere with any child abuse investigation and to allow
the children to undergo psychiatric or medical exams if
required.

However, it does not put restrictions on the children's
fathers, or require parents to renounce polygamy or live
away from the sect's Yearning For Zion Ranch in West Texas.

"We're really grateful to get the order signed," said Willie
Jessop, an FLDS elder. Without elaborating, Jessop said he
had hoped for a less restrictive order.

A spokeswoman for Child Protective Services, Marleigh
Meisner, said the agency was pleased with the order but
added that the investigation into possible abuse will
continue.

"The safety of these children remains our only goal in this
case," she said.

The state had presented witnesses who alleged that underage
girls were being forced into marriages and sex.

The judge's order requires that parents allow children's
welfare workers to make unannounced visits and that the
families notify CPS if they plan to travel more than 100
miles from their homes.

The order comes just days after the Texas Supreme Court said
Texas Child Protective Services overreached its authority in
seizing custody of the children nearly two months ago.

The FLDS denies any abuse of the children. Church officials
say they are being persecuted for their religious beliefs.
The FLDS, whose members believe polygamy earns glorification
in heaven, is a breakaway sect of the Mormon church, which
renounced polygamy more than a century ago.

Andrea Sloan, an attorney for some of the children in the
case, said she believes logistics will keep many of the
children in foster care until at least Tuesday.

"I know the parents agree that the return needs to be
orderly and safe," she said. "We don't want parents rushing
the doors of the shelter."

The Supreme Court on Thursday affirmed an appeals court
ruling ordering Walther to reverse her decision in April
putting all children from the ranch into foster case. The
Supreme Court and the appeals court rejected the state's
argument that all the children were in immediate danger from
what it said was a cycle of sexual abuse of teenage girls at
the ranch.

Half the children sent to foster care were no older than 5.

The Third Court of Appeals last week ruled that the state
failed to show that any more than five of the teenage girls
were being sexually abused, and that it had offered no
evidence of sexual or physical abuse against the other
children.

Walther's order does not end a separate criminal
investigation. Texas authorities last week collected DNA
from jailed FLDS leader Warren Jeffs as part of
investigation into underage sex with girls, ages 12 to 15.
He has been convicted in Utah as an accomplice to rape and
is jail in Arizona awaiting trial on separate charges."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD9121OHO1

If there is no proof of anything wrong, why are the parents ordered to
take parenting classes? Toci

It's just the creeps at CPS's way of never having to say we're sorry.

Nothing wrong? I heard on the news this morning that 5 underage girls
who are pregnant or gave birth recently are being held back. It was
also reported that the leader of the compound is believed to be
"married" to 4 girls between the ages of 12 and 15, and one of the
five held back is reportedly one of his daughters who was apparently
sexually molested. Sound ok to you?

Listen very carefully. There are over 500,000 underaged, unmarried girls
with babies in the US. Most are on welfare. We buy their diapers. Why is it
that no one is complaining about that?

Now you listen very carefully. Those 500,000 underage girls were
impregnated by their underage boyfriends. If not, some older guy is in
big trouble. Not good, but not in the same league with a 14 year old
girl who gets hauled into a room and told she is married to some 40
year old "elder", who then proceeds to rape her. Texas has the DNA.
If that's not the case, then those "elders" have nothing to worry
about. If they nail them, and I believe they will, they will be
spending many years behind bars. Disagree?

JC, are you aware that when FLDS boys reach the age of 14 they become
a threat to the 40 year old bastards who want to "marry" all the
girls, so it's time to get rid of them for some grievous offense like
talking to a girl or rolling up their sleeves. After all, when God
commands that a man must have 3 wives, that leaves two more members of
the male gender up *** creek. They can't kill them, so excess teenage
boys are loaded in a car, told they won't go to heaven and can never
return. Then they're just dumped by the side of the road. Las Vegas is
a favorite dumping ground. They are known as the Lost Boys -- at least
400 in recent years, and maybe a thousand. Why is it you don't
complain about that?

"In the Eldorado case, there's almost a 1-1 boy/girl ratio for
children under 13. The figures are something like 196 boys and 197
girls. But for kids 14-17, you have 53 girls and 17 boys."
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/05/eldorado-the-lo.html

Sound good to you, JC? I think you picked some real assholes to
defend.

I'm defending the US Constitution. There has been no complaint, only an anonymous phone call dammit. Hell if that's okay with you, then you would have no problem with me calling in a phony report on you I guess. If CPS has a valid complaint and they investigate it and find it prosecutable, I'm fine with that. But to just attack with helicopters and swat teams like they did, based on no more than an anonymous phone call (that I might add turned out to be phony) is INEXCUSABLE. Talk about defending. You're defending a Gestapo.
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