Re: French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator) Unknown Planetary Risk To Create Artificial BIG BANG

On May 12, 10:36 am, Rumpelstiltskin
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:01:32 -0700 (PDT),alGuacamole<a...@xxxxxxxx>
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Rumpelstiltskin wrote:

I'm not sure what you're getting at there. We can see other
stars and quasars, so light can leave THEIR neighborhood.

But can they see us? Or is our space so curved that they can not?

That sounds like an ad-hoc stretch to me. It hearkens back
to the days when the earth was the center of the solar system
and of the whole universe, so that earth was "special".

It's just a speculation that if our area of space is curved, then we
can see outside light but they may not be able to see us. There are
voids according to the wikipedia link that you have earlier left here
(I've trimmed because it's getting hard to read this posting) that are
millions of light years between lumps of matter in the universe.

It's the galactic version of a black hole where space-time is so
curved near a black hole that no light can escape.

That gravitation affects space is obvious. But a good theory with
gravitons has not emerged. There are theories on the microscopic
quantum level, but a general theory needs to include gravitation and
can be tested. No one has seen gravitons yet. Perhaps the HIggs Boson
will be progress in that direction???

Nietzsche said God is Dead (supposedly - I don't remember
ever encountering that phrase in his own words, though
everybody says that he said it). In the sense of "the belief in
gods is dead to the intellectual world", I'd agree. The pope
was right to condemn Galileo, because Galileo was in fact
destroying religion, though that was not his intent. Newton
took it further, and Darwin finished the job, in spades. In a
real sense, of course, gods never were, unless you call the
fact of existence itself "God", which is a possible tack but
I'd say not a helpful one.

You mean a God which has no effect on our existence except to cause it
is not "helpful" or useful to us in our interactions with the world? I
agree.

Yes, and when something is undetectable and has no effect,
there's eventually no reason to continue to think it exists, or at
least that it only exists as my herds of elephants exist, who
wander the streets of New York, have magical powers that
make sure there's no traffic and everybody is looking in some
other direction when they pass, and that the output of all
detection devices is modified so as not to reveal their presence.
In the sense that those elephants exist (and of course they
cannot be proven not to exist), a god such as you propose
also exists.

At one time, theorists believe that a material called the "ether"
existed in the vacuum of space's void. It was needed in their theory
for the propagation of light waves. It's an untestable hypothesis at
the time. But eventually it was found to be undetectable even with
very sensitive measurements. Some could have appealed to God for help,
but others chose to refine the theory so that an ether was not
required. Nevertheless, there are still some questions that cannot be
answered. It does not mean that there is no God to answer. To some,
there is ample communication. It's a subjective thing.
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