Re: cast the first stone against Spritzer
- From: Steven <stevenbrooks@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:46:30 -0500
Billy Maxwell wrote:
Rita wrote:On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:00:12 -0400, Oldie69@xxxxxxxxx (Olly Mensch)
JP - Obama joined this church long ago. The same preacher married Obama
and his wife and also baptized their two daughters. All of this would
be just fine, were it not for the caliber of that preacher - which is
cheap, uneducated and inflammatory - ( oh, that ole-'time
religion!!!!)and Obama had years during which he could have left that
church and joined another. why did he not do that??? It is very
troublng. Yet, perhaps his explanation lies in his genes? When I read a
brief biography of his Mother, my impression was of a very intelligent,
but restless, confused, torn woman - torn between her oligations to her
children, and her career ambitions, and she was separate from her son
for many years, though that was during his College years. My point
being that we do not really know the man; what internal struggles and
perhaps genetically inherited insecurities - but also intelligence - may
be going on inside of this man. But, I do fins it inxcusable that he
remained with a preacher, who seems to be nothing but a low-life,
arrogant, cheap, old-time rabble-rouser, when Obama was free - any time
- to leave that church. Why didn't 't he?? Much as I admire his
intelligence (Obama's) there is no way I could vote for him, for
President of our country. - - he does not wear a U.S. flag in his lapel
- - he does not put his arms to hs heart when hearing the Star Spangled
banner - he did not leave his abominable preacher - an old-time type of
preacher yet - he could have done so - - his wife was very unhappy with
Ameica all the previous years - - there is apparently a slight
connection to Louis Farrakhan, and Lord knows what else might emerge.
Some of these reservations are quite silly -I admit - like the flag
pin,etc.etc. - - but steadfastly belonging to a chuch whose preacher,
among other abominations, has mentioned that perhaps there should be
another 9/11 - - and Obama remains with that church - no, I could not
vote for him. and that is disappointing, since I do believe that among
the current three candidates, he is perhaps the most intelligent-
Sorry I digressed, and made this post so very long.
For what it is worth, here is statement Obama made today:
The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached
his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a
firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result
of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country,
our politics, and my political opponents.
Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly
condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy.
I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great
country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that
words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue,
whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject
outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.
Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary
to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately
raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright
and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some
As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United
Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as
someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine,
as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured
at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to
the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was
and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of
Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social
justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from
housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.
Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel
on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my
political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him
preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another,
to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this
controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I
sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.
When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the
beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time
that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on
the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity
faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were
baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.
Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have
been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn.
They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my
profound love for this country.
With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev.
Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a
relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev.
Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that
Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said,
but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values,
judgment and experience to be President of the United States.
How ignorant does Obama think you are?
Twenty years of close personal association with Rev. Wright can't be written off with an explanation of "I didn't know" that comes only after being confronted. His hand was in the cookie jar far far too long.
How can anyone believe Obama was totally unaware of the bigotry thats being spewed forth by this man? I'm not.
P.S. I have a bridge or tractor for sale.
Michelle Obama suggested Hillary was not truthful and was "willing to say anything to get elected".
Barack Obama is proving he is "not truthful and will say anything to get elected".
Too bad Michelle Obama's litany of her husband's faults included morning breath and smelly socks but not nodding off during sermons. It seems to me the senator has a believe-me-not-your-lying-eyes problem. Rev. Wright's enthusiastic congregation gives standing ovations to his vitriol. Had Barack Obama been present he alone would have been sitting in slack-jawed disbelief?
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