Re: Democrats Do It Again


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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:55:07 -0600, "John Galt"
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Once again, Democrats has demonstrated their penchant for snatching
defeat from the jaws of victory with their ever increasing support
for the media darling, Barack Obama. Obama, created solely by the
media, has about as much right to contest for the Democratic
nomination for the presidency as Rosie O'Donnell. And he's an even
bigger joke. The problem is that most Democrats are too starry-eyed
to understand it.


What was Ted Kennedy's motivation? He's not explained by "the media."

Don't ask me why Ted Kennedy does anything. Ask him.

Fact remains,


Obama was a junior state senator who did not distinguish himself in
that role through any significant legislative accomplishment, and was
immediately labeled a 'rising star' for no good reason when he managed
to get the senatorial nomination. The media continued to hype him
throughout an undistinguished few years in the U.S. Senate, where he
managed to sponsor nothing of any consequence, failed to gain the
respect of colleagues which would be necessary for supreme leadership
and simply parlayed his media hype to the present set of
circumstances. Yet he postures himself as potential presidential
material.

So, John, if you want to know why Ted kennedy does anything, ask him;
don't ask me. If you want my opinion,

Well, that's what I asked for.... :-) (Sure took a long time to get
to it......)



I think his elder statesman status went to his brain. And an Obama
candidacy would be the worst thing that could happen to both the
Democratic Party and the Country since Jimmy Carter( not counting the
Republican disasters ).

Perhaps, but I'm not seeing how electing the junior senator from NY
with 8 years of public experience, and who is also criticized for
sponsoring nothing of consequence, is much different in comparison.
Both candidates have less legislative experience than the current
President, who has the least experience of any President since WW2
(perhaps the century), and we know how well that's worked out, do we
not?

Both sides of the aisle seem, in certain ways, bound and determined to
put themselves in a position where a large minority of their base is
disaffected. Happening at the same time, I have to wonder if it's some
sort of sign of our political times, a passing of some sort of torch as
the Boomers become the elder statemen in politics whilst the Gen Xers
and Yers become the energetic drivers.

Quite an excellent article that alludes to this was in the Journal,
written by Dan Gerstein. He argues that the era of the "angry" leftists
who want only the heads of the Republicans and disdain any and all
cooperation, is ending, and the popularity of Obama is a function of
people who wish to end the era of political anger at all costs (not
arging that the costs may indeed be as you outline above).

I suspect that Gerstein's observations could easily be extended to
explain the sudden popularity of McCain:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120191142380836927.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries



JG


I think the Wall Street Journal article has perhaps put his finger on
it. At least for the Democrats. They see Obama not as a polarizing
figure but as someone who can create change in Washington. They may
not be too clear on what changes they look for -- after all the two
Dem candidates are very close on issues. You don't hear the Dem
voters interviewed talking about how either candidate stands on this
issue or that.

The one adjective you omitted before change was either 'meaningful' or
'achievable.' Most of Obama's changes are impractical and the rest
unachievable. I agree, after 8 years in the valley of darkness, the
country certainly requires change. But a practical and pragmatic
individual is necessary to bring that change, as well as one who has the
necessary respect of legislators and their leaders required to bring that
about. I am disappointed that this is being forgotten by those who would
vote in favor of his 'media image hype' and his demagoguery.

Obama is not that person. Perhaps he may be at some future time, but
that time is not now.


There is talk it is time to end dynasties in American politics. Ted
Kennedy's endorsement was important from that standpoint, I think.
After all, Ted is a part of a dynasty himself, although one that
elected only one President. But Bobby might have made it had he
lived. And Ted tried himself and failed.

What Ted Kennedy's motivations are may go further to his relationship
with Bill Clinton, and any hidden agendas not currently privy to the
public, so this could merely be payback time.


Could be.

He also might really think that Obama is a better candidate.

ROTFLMAO!!! Even in the most far-fetched throes of his liberalism, Ted
Kennedy is not THAT stupid.

Maybe you're just wrong on this one.

JG


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