Re: On Canadian Health Care
- From: El Castor <No_One@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:09:51 -0800
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:06:51 GMT, bswinca@xxxxxxxx (Ned Niws) wrote:
On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:37:10 -1000, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How can you say that. Wait times are determined by the amount of money that
the Govenrment is willing to spend on the system. "If" they spent as much
money as the system required, there would be no wait times at all, unless
there is a shortage of doctors.
"Vanden" <vanbussche@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:fnvdos$eu3$1@xxxxxxxxxxx
Wait times in Canada aren't managed by government officials. They're
managed by medical doctors. If you need care in Canada, and it's
important, you get it as quickly or nearly as quickly as one would in the
USA. In fact,Canada's health care system does better in many areas --
better survival rates for many types of childhood cancer, and kidney
conditions, to name two.
"williamboyd" <williamboyd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:47a261fc$0$25999$88260bb3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php
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BILL P.
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DOG
This is an old video which seems to get re-released whenever the AMA
feels the politicians are getting serious. There are many stories
putting down American HMO's also! I'm glad they keep using the same
old one to demean the Ontario system because it indicates the problem
is isolated.
The truth is that on an overall basis, the money must first be pumped
into the system. That money is used to provide service but, sometimes
the patient has to search for where the service is being provided and
it may not be convenient.
The key to this is the family physician, who can help stickhandle the
patient through the system. Family physician friends are even more
helpful. The care is there to be found ... usually. That doesn't make
the delays and screwups right; but it is much better than the critics
make out. I have seen MRI's moved ahead to accommodate a specialist,
who needed the MRI by the time of the next appointment.
I have a fairly well off friend, retired from American business who
will never agree to anything other than the gold plated treatment he
now receives. So far, I feel my treatment has been almost as good as
his.
The exception might be a visit to Emerg (Ontario) a few weeks ago when
I decided after 4 days (the pain wasn't letting off as quick as I
thought it should) that perhaps I should do something about a broken
rib (my diagnosis). I arrived in Emerg at 11 p.m. went through triage
and got put on hold until about 12:30 when they took blood etc.
(wanted to make sure no infection) and got to X-ray around 2:30 -3
a.m. Yep, broken rib. Got discharged with Tylenol 3 prescription
around 4 a.m. and back on the job by 7 a.m. I suspect my friend, in
Phoenix, would have been discharged around 1 a.m.
In the meantime, I watched some pretty desperate people move ahead of
me. One person who looked like maybe they were close to having a burst
appendix went through the system virtually immediately. If they were
in the USA and didn't have my friends financial backing, would they
have moved ahead of me? I don't know.
There is also a Canadian ethic at work here, which is to not complain
no matter what. We have to smarten up and scream like hell when
something isn't working right and so far that idea hasn't caught on.
Sometimes our medical people need to be shaken up a bit. Like the
police, they see so much, they become a little complacent.
So, perhaps not gold plated but not too shabby!
Incidentally, my GP was away on vacation and I needed a prescription
for meds. He returned this week, I called on Wednesday for an
appointment, got it Thursday a.m He asked for blood lab work, got it
done this morning (Friday) and am going for a bone density tomorrow
afternoon (yes Saturday). Those results will be on his desk next week
and I'll be called back promptly if there is anything noteworthy.
I'm OK with all that so far.
Bruce
A few months ago my wife had a problem with an irregular heart beat.
She made an appointment with her doctor, arrived at 11:00, the doctor
saw her, sent her to get an x-ray, blood test, ekg, and treadmill
test. No shopping around -- all in the same building. By 3:00 that
afternoon she was back in her doctor's office, all of the tests having
been performed and the results back to her doctor (including the blood
test). Her heart appeared to be fine, but the x-ray showed a spot on
her lung and to be on the safe side her doctor wanted her to wear a 24
hour recording ekg -- which later showed that the arythmia was nothing
to be concerned about. The spot on her lung precipitated a CAT scan
which happened few days later. The CAT scan was inconclusive so that
precipitated a PET scan, which indicates the spot is a scar from
pneumonia she had ten years ago -- but to be on the safe side she is
scheduled for an MRI which will take place in a couple of months to
see if there has been any change since the PET scan. Nothing gold
plated -- just her Kaiser HMO.
As for the video, it's not that old. His lawsuit is still wending its
way through the Canadian courts. On the same page was another video --
this one from a Canadian woman with a bladder problem which urgently
required an electronic implant. The doctor who did those implants does
10 or 12 a year. She was number 32 on his waiting list -- which meant
she would have to be catheterized for three years! Well she waited,
but a recurring infection from the catheter destroyed her bladder,
necessitating it's removal. Can you even begin to imagine what life
without a bladder must be like for that woman?
Sorry, Bruce, but no thanks.
Jeff
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