Re: NYT: AN UNDOCUMENTED NEWSPAPER

On 29 nov, 19:31, sordo @potluck.net wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:05:28 -0800 (PST), Capitalist Pig

<cochon-capitali...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
by Ann Coulter
November 28, 2007

Last week, in an article titled "Walking a Tightrope on Immigration,"
The New York Times made the fact-defying claim that the illegal
immigration issue poses a risk for Republicans who appeal to voters
"angry" about illegal immigration. (This is as opposed to voters
"angry" that they spent good money buying a copy of The New York
Times.)

The New York Times now is virtually the school newspaper of the
Democratic Party, publishing its talking points and inserting them into
its stories.



In support of this assertion, the Times was required not only to
ignore the stunning defeat of this year's amnesty bill, but also to
proffer provably absurd evidence. I dearly hope Democratic politicians
continue to look to the Times as an accurate barometer of voter
sentiment.

In addition to secret polls showing that "the majority of Americans"
support "a path to citizenship for immigrants here illegally," the
Times cited election results from 1994 and 2006 that directly
contradict this thesis.

First, the Times raised former California Gov. Pete Wilson's
"precipitous slide" in the polls after he supported Proposition 187 in
1994, which denied most taxpayer-supported services to illegal
immigrants.

The problem with this example is that Proposition 187 was wildly
popular with California voters.

Times reporter Michael Luo seems to be referring to the Times' own
prediction of catastrophe for Proposition 187 -- not actual election
results.

One week before Californians voted on Proposition 187 in 1994, B.
Drummond Ayres Jr. reported in the Times that there had been "a sharp
falloff in support for the proposition."

He said Hispanic-Americans, Asian-Americans and African-American
ministers were coming out strongly against Proposition 187 and that
"this outcry, along with the increasing opposition being voiced by
liberals, civil libertarians and assorted national political figures"
was having an effect.

And then Californians voted.

Proposition 187 passed in a landslide with a nearly 20-point margin --
a larger margin than Wilson got, incidentally. It was supported by two-
thirds of white voters, half of black and Asian voters, and even one-
third of Hispanic voters. It passed in every area of California,
except San Francisco, a city where intoxicated gay men dressed as nuns
performing sex acts on city streets is not considered unusual. In
heavily Latino Los Angeles County, Proposition 187 passed with a 12-
point margin.

I'm no campaign consultant, but I think Wilson's support for an off-
the-charts popular initiative probably didn't hurt him.

In fact, here on planet Earth, about the safest thing a California
politician could do would be to wildly, vocally support Proposition
187. But in New York Times-speak, politicians are walking a dangerous
"tightrope" if they dare to defy a slight majority of San Francisco
voters!

The initiative went to Carter-appointed U.S. District Court Judge
Mariana Pfaelzer, who issued a permanent injunction and then, in a
series of decisions, found the initiative unconstitutional. Her
rulings were still on appeal when Democrat Gray Davis became governor
and dropped the appeals. Everyone remembers how popular Gray Davis
was! (First governor in California history to be recalled.)

The crown jewel of the Times' pathetic attempt to marshal evidence for
its thesis that Americans want more, not fewer, illegal aliens choking
our roads, schools and hospitals also included this gem: "J.D.
Hayworth, a hard-line incumbent Republican representative in Arizona,
lost his race in 2006, as did Randy Graf, a member of the border-
enforcing Minuteman group, who also ran in Arizona."

How many times do we have to disprove this canard?

As with Hillary's position on driver's licenses for illegals -- and B.
Hussein Obama's entire campaign -- the Hayworth-Graf example works
better when no follow-up questions are allowed. For example:

Q: Did Hayworth's and Graf's opponents campaign against them on
illegal immigration?

A: No.

Q: Were there any other issues on the ballot that year that might tell
us if it was Hayworth's and Graf's positions on illegals that led to
their defeats?

A: Si! Oops, I mean, yes -- why, yes there were! The very election
that the Times cites as proof that anti-illegal sentiment is a loser
at the ballot box also included four measures that passed
overwhelmingly: (1) a measure to deny bail to illegal aliens, (2) a
measure that would bar illegals from being awarded punitive damages,
(3) a measure that would prohibit illegals from receiving state
subsidies for education or child care, and (4) a measure to declare
English the state's official language.

Whatever Arizona voters didn't like about Hayworth and Graf, it wasn't
that they were too tough on illegals.

My theory is that Hayworth and Graf lost because the multitudes of
Times reporters losing their jobs due to the Newspaper of Record's
plummeting circulation have recently moved to Hayworth's and Graf's
districts. (This is what's known as a "brain drain" in those
districts.)

My theory -- like the Times' theory -- is supported by no evidence.
But unlike the Times' theory, mine is not specifically disproved by
other evidence such as common sense, an everyday observation of my
fellow man, and also those four anti-illegal immigrant measures
passing in landslides in the very same election.- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -

- Afficher le texte des messages précédents -

The stock NYT, is trading near a 10 year low. Hassan Elmasry of Morgan
Stanley dumped his 7.2% stake in the company in mid October. It was
either a bad investment, or the head mullah threatened him with a
fatwah if he didn't dump a a company that was run by a bunch of Jews.
Probably a little of both.
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Relevant Pages

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    ... Last week, in an article titled "Walking a Tightrope on Immigration," The New York Times made the fact-defying claim that the illegal immigration issue poses a risk for Republicans who appeal to voters "angry" about illegal immigration. ... In support of this assertion, the Times was required not only to ignore the stunning defeat of this year's amnesty bill, but also to proffer provably absurd evidence. ... Were there any other issues on the ballot that year that might tell us if it was Hayworth's and Graf's positions on illegals that led to their defeats? ...
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