Re: Sunni Political Group Withdraws From Iraq Cabinet

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Sunni Political Group Withdraws From Iraq Cabinet

By Megan Greenwell
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 1, 2007; 4:40 PM

BAGHDAD, Aug. 1 -- Iraq's largest Sunni political group formally
withdrew from Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government Wednesday,
dealing a major blow to Maliki's efforts to build a cohesive
government.

The Accordance Front announced that it will vacate its six seats in
Maliki's cabinet after the prime minister and other leading government
officials did not make progress on a list of demands the group issued
last week. Accordance Front members said their decision came after
Maliki failed to show a commitment to solving the problems of ordinary
Iraqi people.

"The government is continuing with its arrogance, refusing to change
its stand and slamming shut the door to any meaningful reforms
necessary to save Iraq," said senior Accordance Front member Rafaa
al-Issawi.

The announcement represents a setback not just for Maliki, but for
President Bush, who is expecting a progress report from the top U.S.
military commander in Iraq on Sept. 15. The discord within the Maliki
government and the lack of legislative progress in parliament could
undermine his assessment of conditions in Iraq and further decrease
congressional support for the war.

Bush pressed Maliki Wednesday to move forward on the political issues,
White House spokesman Tony Snow said. During a 45-minute video
conference, Snow said, "The president emphasized that the Iraqi people
and the American people need to see action -- not just words -- but
need to see action on the political front."
So now, not only the parliament, but also the cabinet is not going to
accomplish anything before September.

I've seen this happen in organizations before. When they lose
confidence in the leadership, they start drifting, putting out the
minimum effort and hoping that something will change. You cannot whip
them into action and an attempt to do so is pretty much guaranteed to
fail. Either the leadership has to change or the situation has to
change in some substantial way. Preferably both.
Seems obvious the U.S. has no influence with Maliki. Maliki has
to cater to Shiites and has always done so. There never has been
anything approaching a unity government in Iraq. Let's see how
marib, Jose, Joe Avelon and the other true believers spin this one.
Even Tony Snow was unable to do so.

It is all very badly broken at this point. There will be more
Republican defections in September. I don't see how they can continue
to support the Bush administration without committing political suicide.
The most that we can hope for at this point is an orderly withdrawal.
I sincerely hope that the Pentagon is working on that contingency. If
they only give it lip service, we will see the same result as for the
poorly planned and mostly neglected plans for the occupation.

On a related note, I'm beginning to hear references to criminal acts
rather than "War on Terror." Wouldn't it be interesting if the
Republicans came around to the point of view that terrorism is really a
law enforcement problem rather than a military problem? Too much to
hope for?
I don't know about that -- but in Iraq there are outside terrorists
and Iraqi terrorists, if by terrorists one means those who commit
violent acts against the population.

But I also think the term "war on terror" is never really defined
and thus is a meaningless phrase. It is a phrase I don't think the
Republcans will let go of, however.
Would you settle for "War on militant Islam"?
Would you define "war". War means to me military action against
a specific nation or, as in World War II, more than one specific
nations.
Let's see -- we've had war on poverty, war on drugs, war on want. And
now you're getting picky about war on terror or war on militant Islam?
Justine

I think a question on exactly what is meant by any of the above is
germane. The phrase has been used as you say in so many contexts
and I never have been sure what action or actions that translates
into.

To me, the word "war" should only be used to describe armed conflict
between nations. A "war on terror" raises the status of the terrorists
to that of freedom fighters or other such image which appears to justify
what they are doing in their eyes and in the eyes of those who support
them. IMV, they are criminals. Whatever cause they support, they
operate outside the law. We would have been much better off to join
with the rest of the world in improving our collective ability to
investigate, arrest, prosecute and punish people who resort to
terrorism. Let the world see them as the criminals that they are.

You may consider them to be criminals, but they would not agree. In
their minds they are fighting on behalf of God. For a Muslim, to die
while engaged in Jihad against the Infidels is the only guaranteed
ticket to Paradise. Their goal, which is commanded by Allah, is to
spread Islam to every corner of the earth, and they have been doing a
very good job of it. From a few converts in the city of Medina, there
are now 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide -- and growing. Muslims make up
the second largest religion in the United States, after Christianity
-- only, of course, Islam isn't just a religion, it's a social, legal,
and political system as well.
.

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