Re: Why Deportation?


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What other policies are you talking about? Or are these just the
usual vague, pie in the sky, over the rainbow "policies"?

"If" I knew the answer to that question, I would have provided an
answer already. All I know is that you cannot stop people from
doing what they want to do.

On second thought...a takeover of Mexico by the US would be one
policy "...that WILL have a chance to raise their standard of
living." Is that the specific policy you support?

We cannot even support the occupation in Iraq, how in the world
are we going to support taking over Mexico? Mexico is not going
to attack this country, which some of you have argued is the only
time we should go to war with a country. Mexico has a population
of a little over 100 million, we cannot seem to pacify a country
of 25 million (population of Iraq), what chance have we got to
pacify a country of 100 million?

Jerry - if you don't know what policies to support to raise the
standard of living in Mexico - then why in the world are you
talking about supporting such policies? Are you really saying
that you don't know that which you would support? But whatever
it is, that you are all for supporting it? What *are* you talking
about?

Because, "if" we want to solve the problem, we have to figure out a
way to change the dynamics at work. That is, these people come to
this country illegally, because they do not feel they have a very
good chance to live a reasonably good life where they are at now.
"If" we are not able to, or not willing to attack that part of the
problem, there is no workable solution to the problem.

Jerry - stop the blathering and get down to specifics. Exactly what
are these policies with which you are so much in love? If they don't
exist except in that mind of yours, say as much. If they do exist,
then by all means please specify them by name and description so we
can in fact discuss their various pros and cons. Are you just
spewing out words, words, and yet more words...or do you have some
definite policy in mind?

I really don't know what you expect me to say. I have stated many
times what is wrong with our current policy. I am not in "love" with
any policy, what policy do you think I am in "love with"? I simply
stated what the problem is. The "solution" it seems to me, is to
figure out what policy would solve the basic problem, i.e. how can
Mexico, and any other country, makes things better for their people,
so they would not leave the country of their birth, to seek what they
must believe is a way to have a shot at having that better life.

You've espoused a policy "...that WILL have a chance to raise their
standard of living", but avoid specifying the details of that policy.
All you provide is apple pie and motherhood and wave the American flag
kind of stuff. I've been asking you repeatedly for specifics on this
policy which you like so much that you think is the end all and be all
to solve the Mexican immigarion problem. Yet, when pressed for details
and specifics all you can do is mouth your generalities...as you have
yet once again. The conclusion must be that you have no policy to offer
or recommend, but are really only touting pie in the sky, somewhere
over the rainbow, some day my prince will come ideals. In other
words, just plain and simple wishful thinking.

I stated that you cannot stop people from doing what they want to do. I
do not believe there is any falsehood in that statement. And yes, I do
not know how you can change the dynamics at work, other than to support
policies that would change the dynamics at work. But that does not mean
that what I said is not a true statement. And it just might be wishful
thinking, but my attitude about that is, "if" we are going to complain
about a problem, then we should have a proposed solution to the problem.
I simply don't believe that playing defense in this case is ever going
to work. So, those who do suggest we can solve the problem by playing
defense is also "touting pie in the sky, somewhere over the rainbow,
some day my price will come ideals....." aren't they?

ahem...from your July 10, 2007 8:50 am post -

"NO!!! I advocate improving the standard of living in places like
Mexico, so
they won't want to leave the country of their birth."

"Support policies that WILL have a chance to raise their standard of
living. "

Heck - my quarrel is not the truthfulness of your statement. If you
maintain that I ever said that what you said is a falsehood, then please
cite date and time of the post where I said that. My problem is that
your statement is like those other true statements - End AIDS. Stamp out
poverty. Stop crime. Zero out the national debt. Get more American
kids graduate with degrees in science, engineering, and math. Eliminate
drunk driving. Stop teenage pregnancies. Lower the cost of living.
Bring back sixty nine cents a gallon gasoline. Stop the pork barrel in
Congress. Stop all wars. Implement the single line veto in the US
budget. Make the American educational system - top to bottom - number
one in the world. Any falsehood in any of those statements? Most readers
would think not. Pie in the sky? Most readers would agree. And why pie
in the sky? Most simple explanation I know - "...you cannot stop people
from doing what they want to do."

So bottom line, when everything is said and done - you indeed have no
solution yourself. And given that you have nothing solid to recommend or
support beyond this idealistic idea, then why are you criticizing those
who try to solve the problem? To wit, your July 7, 2007 3:16 post where
you said -

"Why do we deport illegal aliens? Could it be that we deport them
because we
want to solve the problem on the cheap? After all, when you catch these
people, they did break the law. For many of our laws, when a citizen
breaks
them, they get themselves thrown in jail (after they are found guilty).
Why
don't we do the same for illegal aliens who are caught?"

Well, what don't you like about what I said? If someone breaks one of our
laws, why shouldn't they be thrown in jail for breaking our laws?

From my July 8, 2007 1:10am post in its entirety -

"Maybe we should just send any and all illegal aliens who are caught to
Hawaii, just as the Brits did vis a vis Australia to lawbreakers back then.
Isolated as the islands are - only way out is via airplane or water - that
would be tantamount to throwing them in jail. That should satisfy Jerry. "

And I would add that as a US taxpayer, I would be willing to have the US
government pay for transportation to Hawaii for those caught. Thereafter,
such folks will be the responsibility of the State of Hawaii and its people,
at Jerry's behest. The point, of course, is that Jerry being so eager to
jail these folks rather than send them back to their home country, he/Hawii
can have each and every one of them...and all concomitant responsibility
for them. He/Hawaii can keep them as long as he/Hawaii wants. And when
he/Hawaii tires of having all of them around, he/Hawaii just might entertain
the thought of sending them back to their home country...at his/Hawaii's
expense, of course.

At this point we seem to have come full circle...and time for me to get off
this particular bus.



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