Re: Willl $7.6 Billion Virtual Border Fence Work?


"Thumper" <jaylsmith@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:39:34 -0400, Alan Lichtenstein <arl@xxxxxxx>
wrote:

sordoT@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:20:43 -0400, Alan Lichtenstein <arl@xxxxxxx>
wrote:


Jerry Okamura wrote:


"Alan Lichtenstein" <arl@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Jerry Okamura wrote:


But I am still amazed that all of these so-called smart people who
appear on TV these days pontificating about the problem, has not
mentioned what the real solution is, and no one seems even willing to
discusss, what policies we can possibly try, that would change the
dynamics at work.


I've always believed in letting the punishment fit the crime. I don't
necessarily think that attempting to cross the border illegally is a
crime worthy of using the supreme punishment, but I don't disagree
that it would be quite effective a deterrent. IMHO, a far greater,
and effective deterrent, would be to use the power of the purse. The
wetback's purses, in particular. For the most part, these are
uneducated, illiterate Mexicans who are coming here only to work. The
money they have to pay the coyotes to bring them across the border
represents a considerable chunk of their net worth, and wealth. If
the money they spend results in a successful crossing and a constant
stream of money returning to 'ole Meh-he-co,' it was worth the
expense. But if it comes to naught, because they were quickly
apprehended and returned, and have to go through the same process
again, and possibly a third time, robbing them of virtually every
resource, it is likely they will be more effectively deterred.


Again, I think you are working the wrong end of the problem. The real
solution to the problem, is to figure out a way where they do not want
to leave the country of their birth in the first place. As for how to
make it such that they find that it is not worth the cost, I do not
know
how you actually do that effectively.....

Why they want to leave their country of birth is not our problem. It's
THEIR problem. Our problem only extends to how to prevent them from
coming here, and how to root them out, round them up and send them home
if they do manage to evade the legal process America has established for
immigration. We are not the problem solvers for every nation's economic
ills, nor are we the welfare center for the world. We once tried to
solve Mexico's economic problems with NAFTA, and the Mexicans promptly
lost the edge we had given them to the Chinese, resulting in the
exacerbation of the flow of illegals North.


As far as your final comment, the simple solution is to root them out,
round them up and send them home. A process where it has been
implemented, has demonstrated to be effective, efficient and cost
effective. Much to the chagrin of the bleeding hearts. You will note
that Rita was being cute demanding from me HOW I would achieve this,
and when I replied to her with a plan which has worked, she suddenly
becomes quite. Because where my plan has been used, it has proved to
be cheap and effective with no violation of human rights. And it is
because of those that the bleeding hearts are up in arms.


I would suggest that if it were that easy, we would not have the
problem
we have today.

It is easy. The process fails because local governments have neither
the resources, nor the authority to perform the actual deportation. But
what local governments have demonstrated is that rooting them out and
rounding them up is NOT difficult, and NOT expensive, much to the
chagrin of the bleeding hearts and assorted other do-gooders. And The
Federal Government, which has the resources, has flatly refused to
deport them. Plain and simple. Now, if the Federal Government changed
it's mind, we could likely solve the problem in under five years;
sooner, because once these wetbacks realize we mean business, many would
likely leave on their own.


Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) of Missouri: "Until our country gets serious
about enforcement against employers, all the laws we pass won't make a
difference." She says she'll vote against the bill for this reason. If
the Justice Department would start handing out three-month jail
sentences to employers who hire undocumented workers, "that will have
more impact than this bill," she adds.

Even the queer one has moments of lucidity( although few and far and in
between ), as his post above demonstrates. But handing out jail
sentences for employers does nothing to remove the wetbacks from our
soil; only makes it harder, but not impossible for them to work. A good
majority of wetbacks are in the underground cash economy, mowing lawns,
doing construction work, washing dishes, and such, where they are paid
OTB and would be unaffected by any employer monitoring, simply because
they are under the radar. The wetbacks have to be physically caught(
rooted out ), rounded up and sent home.

This is not to mean that we shouldn't include employer enforcement; we
should do everything within our power to apprehend these criminals, and
they are criminals because they entered our country illegally. and once
apprehended, give them a quick and speedy trial and SEND THEM HOME.


I believe they should be allowed to stay. Especially those that have
been here several years and have made good lives. Our government
allowed them to come with a wink and a nod.

I'm really sick of people talking about these criminals as if jumping
a fence to feed your family is the worse crime in the world.
Thumper

I think it is the "wind and nod" part that really offends people. While
living in a large city and needing work or services done in our coop, we
were always asked if we wanted to pay the taxes. I know some of this has
always occurred but the U.S, for the most part, was counted on as a society
that fought to keep corruption at bay.


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