Re: The Real Deal, why the reverence for FDR?

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:55:40 -0700, El Castor <No_One@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:23:59 -0400, Thumper <jaylsmith@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:25:31 -0700, El Castor <No_One@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:25:51 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
<georgezbush@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"El Castor" <No_One@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:53:10 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
<georgezbush@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Jake" <jcbepstein@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 26/06/07 18:55, in article
hcg2839ob34ijilhsvs449vtbtsdtcqo03@xxxxxxx, "El Castor"
<No_One@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

FDR was a criminal and should have been
impeached -- if not imprisoned.

I share your outrage of that time.

BUT impeachment was hardly possible given the "flavor"
of those times.

Having been around at the time, I'm obliged to point out that not only was FDR
not considered to be a criminal, but his act of interning those thousands of
Japanese residents and Japanese-American citizens received almost universal
approval from the public. Granted, that approval evolved out of an inordinate
(and unjustified) fear of both betrayal and disloyalty among that group, it
was
an act most Americans thought that Roosevelt was right in doing.

In any event, impeachment was a word that was never even mentioned among
either
the body politic or the public at large. Whether it was right or wrong,
that's
the way it was.

In addition, there is no comparison between the factual situation that FDR
dealt
with and the one affecting Dubya. Roosevelt inherited the Pacific War
immediately after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.....he didn't have to ask
for
it because it came to him. On the other side of the world, he didn't have to
do
anything there either; it didn't take but a day or two and an unsolicited
declaration of war came to him from Adolf Hitler.

Bush inherited 9/11.

Both Bush and Cheney have said on TV that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The
9/11 Commission, appointed by Bush, came to the same conclusion.

Glad to hear you refute the left wing lies that Bush claimed that Iraq
was involved in the 9/11 attack. It was not. It's good to get that on
the record.


He DID imply it and Cheney still tells the lie.
Thumper

You'll have to take that up with George Z. He's the one who rightly
said, "Both Bush and Cheney have said on TV that Iraq had nothing to
do with 9/11. The 9/11 Commission, appointed by Bush, came to the
same conclusion."


They did say that, years after it was already imbedded in people's
minds. Cheney however is still talking out of both sides of his
mouth.

Thumper
But ... did 9/11 have anything to do with Bush's decision to invade
Iraq? Absolutely! Our invasion of Iraq was all about 9/11 and militant
Islam. Was it a mistake, and are we getting our ass whipped?
Apparently so, but don't be so foolish as to claim that our invasion
of Iraq was not a product of 9/11.

Dubya, OTOH, initiated a sham war based upon an entire tissue of lies....lies
that, four years later, are recognized for exactly what they were, an excuse
to
start an aggressive war in pursuit of what turned out to be a secret agenda.

You might argue excuse, but what lies? ........

You've really got your head stuck up your nether regions if you're serious.
Those lies are legion and have been listed innumerable times.......just for
starters, yellow cake and aluminum tubes for the no longer existent nuclear
program, mobile labs producing biological and/or chemical weapons, WMDs, a
victory parade featuring flowers in the barrels of American rifles, a war the
cost of which would be paid for by Iraqi oil........those are just starters in a
long list of specifics that they knew not to be true when they mouthed them.
You call them whatever pleases you....I call them lies.

Hmmm. Clearly English is not your first language, and you have a
problem with the meaning of words commonly used here in English
speaking countries. Let me try to be of help.

Let us suppose for a moment (just suppose, because we know this not to
be true, and I wouldn't want this to be construed as personal
criticism) that you are commonly known to be an idiot. Government
agencies have studied your writings and proclaimed George Z to be an
idiot. Photographs taken from space have demonstrated that indeed,
George Z is an idiot. A maid who flees your home has confirmed, "Yes!
George is an idiot"! The fact that you are an idiot has been
proclaimed in the United Nations, and across Europe. Even the common
peasants of Egypt know you to be an idiot. So ... one day, in all
honesty, having ample reason in my heart of hearts to believe you to
be an idiot, I proclaim that George Z is ... an IDIOT!

But wait! You are then sent off to the Home For Old Idiots, where
doctors and nurses study you under a microscope, inject dye into your
veins, administer tests, scan your brain with MRI's, and one
unexpected day, out of the blue, proclaim that "George Z is NOT an
Idiot, he's a Moron!".

You see George, under those circumstances I would not be a liar,
because I honestly believed that what I said was the God's honest
truth. If I accepted your meaning of liar, I would have no choice but
to call every liberal who posts to this group a liar -- on a daily
basis. Being a civil sort of person I realize that you people
generally believe what you say, even though it is most often complete
and total off the wall whole cloth bull ***. Therefore, you are not
liars -- just morons. And that concludes today's English lesson. (-8

Jeff

More left wing bumper sticker
material. You and Islander are cut from the same cloth. Was it all
about the oil?

There probably was more to it than just oil, but oil sure as hell was a part of
it. BTW, if asking or expecting your President to be honest or truthful in
explaining why we needed to go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with
9/11 (as he and his vice-President publicly admitted on more than one occasion)
is a characteristic of the left wing, then I, with my 40+ years of receipts
from my former membership in the Republican Party when it was still populated by
honorable people, plead guilty to being a left winger. Not only that, but I
also plead guilty to being a patriotic American who is grievously embarrassed by
the sleazy way the current administration has squandered the respect our nation
used to have in this world.

BTW, accurate or not, I'm not at all insulted by your identifying me with
Islander; however, I'd REALLY be pissed if you had mistaken me for a member of
the administration at any level. THAT would have been insulting.

(Snip)

George Z.

But, but, I've believed all this time that you were Scooter Libby,
just funning us! Scooter, that you??

.

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