Re: Willl $7.6 Billion Virtual Border Fence Work?

sordo™@mini-tru.org wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:20:43 -0400, Alan Lichtenstein <arl@xxxxxxx>
wrote:


Jerry Okamura wrote:


"Alan Lichtenstein" <arl@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:jLidnRhZQ87FAR7bnZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxx


Jerry Okamura wrote:


But I am still amazed that all of these so-called smart people who appear on TV these days pontificating about the problem, has not mentioned what the real solution is, and no one seems even willing to discusss, what policies we can possibly try, that would change the dynamics at work.


I've always believed in letting the punishment fit the crime. I don't necessarily think that attempting to cross the border illegally is a crime worthy of using the supreme punishment, but I don't disagree that it would be quite effective a deterrent. IMHO, a far greater, and effective deterrent, would be to use the power of the purse. The wetback's purses, in particular. For the most part, these are uneducated, illiterate Mexicans who are coming here only to work. The money they have to pay the coyotes to bring them across the border represents a considerable chunk of their net worth, and wealth. If the money they spend results in a successful crossing and a constant stream of money returning to 'ole Meh-he-co,' it was worth the expense. But if it comes to naught, because they were quickly apprehended and returned, and have to go through the same process again, and possibly a third time, robbing them of virtually every resource, it is likely they will be more effectively deterred.


Again, I think you are working the wrong end of the problem. The real solution to the problem, is to figure out a way where they do not want to leave the country of their birth in the first place. As for how to make it such that they find that it is not worth the cost, I do not know how you actually do that effectively.....

Why they want to leave their country of birth is not our problem. It's THEIR problem. Our problem only extends to how to prevent them from coming here, and how to root them out, round them up and send them home if they do manage to evade the legal process America has established for immigration. We are not the problem solvers for every nation's economic ills, nor are we the welfare center for the world. We once tried to solve Mexico's economic problems with NAFTA, and the Mexicans promptly lost the edge we had given them to the Chinese, resulting in the exacerbation of the flow of illegals North.


As far as your final comment, the simple solution is to root them out, round them up and send them home. A process where it has been implemented, has demonstrated to be effective, efficient and cost effective. Much to the chagrin of the bleeding hearts. You will note that Rita was being cute demanding from me HOW I would achieve this, and when I replied to her with a plan which has worked, she suddenly becomes quite. Because where my plan has been used, it has proved to be cheap and effective with no violation of human rights. And it is because of those that the bleeding hearts are up in arms.


I would suggest that if it were that easy, we would not have the problem we have today.

It is easy. The process fails because local governments have neither the resources, nor the authority to perform the actual deportation. But what local governments have demonstrated is that rooting them out and rounding them up is NOT difficult, and NOT expensive, much to the chagrin of the bleeding hearts and assorted other do-gooders. And The Federal Government, which has the resources, has flatly refused to deport them. Plain and simple. Now, if the Federal Government changed it's mind, we could likely solve the problem in under five years; sooner, because once these wetbacks realize we mean business, many would likely leave on their own.


Sen. Claire McCaskill (D) of Missouri: "Until our country gets serious
about enforcement against employers, all the laws we pass won't make a
difference." She says she'll vote against the bill for this reason. If
the Justice Department would start handing out three-month jail
sentences to employers who hire undocumented workers, "that will have
more impact than this bill," she adds.

Even the queer one has moments of lucidity( although few and far and in between ), as his post above demonstrates. But handing out jail sentences for employers does nothing to remove the wetbacks from our soil; only makes it harder, but not impossible for them to work. A good majority of wetbacks are in the underground cash economy, mowing lawns, doing construction work, washing dishes, and such, where they are paid OTB and would be unaffected by any employer monitoring, simply because they are under the radar. The wetbacks have to be physically caught( rooted out ), rounded up and sent home.

This is not to mean that we shouldn't include employer enforcement; we should do everything within our power to apprehend these criminals, and they are criminals because they entered our country illegally. and once apprehended, give them a quick and speedy trial and SEND THEM HOME.
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