Re: I promised to post my essay on abortion rights....here it is

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:06:43 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:30:02 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:49:35 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
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Since Roe vs. Wade several years ago, I have observed the rantings of
those
who would call themselves pro-life as well as those who would call
themselves pro-choice. Sometimes I have been angered, sometimes moved
to
compassion for those who seem to have little understanding of either
of
those terms.

Evelyn, since you seem to be an expert in these matters, I would be
interested in your views on the following news article -- as well as
the subject of legalizing post partum abortion.

Jeff

"HIALEAH, Florida, July 31, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An investigation
is underway at a Florida abortion clinic after police found the body
of a baby, following a tip that the child had been killed after birth.

NBC6 News reported Friday on the discovery by Hialeah police, who said
they had received a call alleging that someone at the abortion clinic
had killed a baby born alive on the premises July 20.

An initial search revealed nothing, police said, but another tip on
Friday from an additional source led them back to the clinic where
they discovered the body of the male child-approximately 22-weeks
gestational development-in a biohazard container.

"We were able to locate the mother of this child, who is an
18-year-old female. We located her. She, in fact, reiterated that she
did come to this clinic to have an abortion, and she gave birth to the
baby while waiting for the doctor to arrive. The doctor was not here,"
Lt. Ralph Garcia of the Hialeah Police Department told NBC6 News.

According to the anonymous caller who reported the incident, after the
woman gave birth to her child in the waiting room, "Employees cut the
umbilical cord, put the baby in a bag and walked away with it," Garcia
said."


I think it is a horror, what was done. That's really awful.

I have no religious objection to abortion, and as long as it's done in
the first 4 months I guess it's a necessary evil. However, the so
called partial birth, or late term, abortion disturbs me greatly. The
only reason the abortionist pierces the babies skull with his scissors
and sucks out the brain is to avoid exactly the situation described in
my previous post -- a live birth followed by the horrific and illegal
necessity of killing a living child. To my way of thinking, whether
the child is killed a few seconds before or after leaving the birth
canal is really irrelevant -- it should be considered murder either
way.


Some sort of limits are of course in order. What you are describing
could
only be seen as murder. There would have to be some very compelling
reason
for such a thing, and I can't think of any that would apply.

So, does that mean you oppose partial birth abortions?

As you described above, yes.

But to be sure I would need to know more about it in a case by case
situation, and if there were really situations where it was medically
necessary and exactly why they were considered so. But if someone did it
just to get rid of a baby, and they had been just too lazy to take action on
it earlier, it ought to be illegal for that sort of a reason.

If it is to save the life of the mother, maybe...... It seems like such an
extreme thing, why not simply wait a little longer till it is born
naturally?

Evelyn, before Caesarian sections were widespread there were women who
experienced long, arduous labors but still not could deliver the child
because its head was too large or other such reasons. In those cases
both mother and child died.

I was taken to a funeral home at an early age to view the bodies of a
mother in a coffin with her child beside her -- both had died during
childbirth. It made quite an impression on me.

The Catholic church, faced with a hypothetical question "the mother
or the child" always opted for letting both them die and the mother
would get her reward in heaven.

During such labors, the procedure used in what is called a partial
birth abortion (a misnomer really) would have saved the mother. Given
proper prenatal care and skilled doctors this should very rarely be
necessary. But there still are women for which neither of these
conditions is met and there are still these nasty surprises. I had
a friend who was in hard labor for 36 hours with her first child who
weighed 11 pounds. Both survived but it was touch and go. This
should not have happened but it was a small county hospital with less
than skilled obstretricians practicing in the area. If a woman is
allowed to continue in such labors to the point she becomes totally
exhausted, a Caesarian at that point becomes a very, very risky
procedure. I expect only those who have undergone labor can imagine
what 36 hours of hard labor pains feels like. I was lucky in that
my labors at most encompassed 4 hours. But I cringe when women
describe to me their quite different experiences.

So perhaps you should tell me.... what sort of conditions would you say were
acceptable for this to be done. Surely you wouldn't want a woman to die
either, would you?

It is easy to believe such labors no longer occur, but they do.
Prenatal care and access to specialists are very uneven.

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