Re: What is a Liberal? What is a Conservative?


"Alan Lichtenstein" <arl@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:xICdndK_9f7ObZPbnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxx
Jerry Okamura wrote:


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Jerry Okamura wrote:

I wondered how many of us actually know what the two terms we use all the time actually mean. In an effort to educate myself, I am going to start to do some web searches to see what I can find, and to share them with you. The first site I found on this subject matter is below, but I intend to do more searches to see what else I can find.....on the subject....

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/may/21/raythomas.htm






What you have is hardly an unbiased source. In fact, it personifies, relying on appeals to emotion( which is a logical fallacy ), precisely what a Liberal, or Conservative is NOT.






I would agree with that, and that is the reason I asked for others to put their two cents in. That was the entire purpose of the posting....





Not really, Jerry. when you post something ostensibly seeking information, when in reality, you aren't seeking that information, but have a predetermined opinion, what you posted is a dishonest message. Witness your reply to Lundberg's reply to me.





You cannot be serious. I have made every attempt to understand the arguments all of you have made to support your positions on this issue. What you are asking me to do is, to willingly accept your definition of the truth, even if I do not believe it is the truth. You certainly don't want me to do that do you?

I am exactly serious, Jerry. You need to review what you wrote. You did NOT make a legitimate request for information. Your post was a subterfuge for starting an opinionated discussion.




Look, everyone of us, are opinionated. There is not one conversation that anyone of us has with those we debate, that does not have strong opinions about our positions, because if we did not have strong opinions we would not have a discussion for the most part.....



Jerry, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion. But state it as such. Don't, for whatever reason make believe that you really aren't attempting to start a discussion in which you have an opinion and mask it as an innocent request for information.



What in the world is trying to get a better understanding of the two?


When you start off with preconceived notions, you are hardly objective, and you really aren't attempting to get a better understanding, because you become argumentative. As you have done here.


And you are not being argumentative?

What actions I take are not in question. I did not post the dishonest 'request' for information. YOU did, Jerry, so YOUR actions are the only ones in question. And besides, your post above is an excellent use of the logical fallacy of the 'red herring.' And we will not participate in discussing things which stem from such fallacies.

It is only "dishonest" in your eyes. I questioned responses from those who were representing both sides of the argument.

If you want information, you post your question and let others give it to you, and you SHUT UP and read what they say. You don't do that, Jerry. You need to make some evaluative comment to nearly every response. That, in and of itself, demonstrates, BY YOUR ACTIONS what your intentions are.


NO!!! When I post a question, I have every right to provide my interepretation of what someone said.

NO, Jerry, you don't. If what you posted is a legitimate request for information. As such, you are considered to be unknowledgeable, as per your issuing the request. Therefore, all that could be reasonably expected of you is a follow-up question if some term is used which you may be unfamiliar with. You don't do that, Jerry. You make an evaluative statement, thus revealing that you had, at the getgo, an opinion, and in order to have such an opinion, you had to have some knowledge about the topic. Therefore, your request is not genuine, and therefore, dishonest.

The purpose of the question is to
elict responses.

Exactly. From OTHERS, not the seeker of information. Clearly if you seek information, you need to LISTEN, NOT comment.

How do you get people opinion about things, if you do not ask the questions. How do you comment, if you did not read what was posted first?

What you are asking me to do is not respond when I do
not agree with what someone said.

No,Jerry. What I'm asking you do to is to be honest in your 'requests.' If you want to start a discussion, fine. Do it. I encourage it. But present it as such. Don't make believe that your motivation is an honest request to be educated on a topic, when it isn't.

Nothing more.

You are reading into my posting, something I never intended to do. I was honestly trying to find out what a liberal or a conservative really is. And I still am not sure, I know what the terms mean. Because from the responses I received, from both sides of the equation, they don't seem to me to be very consistent at all. In other words, every response had a different definition of what a conservative or a liberal is.

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