Re: Gates warns on US immigration curbs


"Glenn" <minorgo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:pan.2007.03.09.13.53.42.436773@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:59:57 -0800, Islander wrote:

Glenn wrote:
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:17:35 -0800, Islander wrote:



There was also a time when we thought that the Japanese were not
innovative. Well, they have kicked our ass in the auto industry and
are in the process of kicking our ass in consumer electronics.


You aren't a EE professor, you are a monk in a Tibetan monastery. The
Japanese didn't kick our ass, we did. Dr. Deming showed them how after
we told Deming where to go. The Japanese don't innovate, they steal,
the complete specification for the IBM large systems. Now that they
have bleed us dry, thanks to the likes of you, they will pick on
someone else, probably back to Germany.

Fortunately we still have a chance as the home of innovation, Europe,
hasn't permanently disowned us.


It may salve your belief that we are the only people who innovate, but
you might want to look more closely at the history of technology over
the past 30 years, especially regarding what the Japanese have
accomplished. Yes, there were thefts of technology -- that happens in
industry and especially in US industry. More importantly, US industry
was a very willing participant in the transfer of critical technology
abroad, first to Japan, then to Taiwan and Korea and now to China. Most
of Asia is very good at using what we give them on a silver platter.

A few examples:

Ampex owned the patents on video recording, but the geniuses in Ampex
management thought that video recording equipment was a very small
market so the sold the patents to SONY. That was the beginning of the
end for Ampex.

US semiconductor manufacturers were fiercely competitive in the early
days of the solid state memory business (mid 70s) and engaged in a
practice of selling their latest memory products below cost to drive the
competition out of the marketplace. Some brainiac found out that you
could manufacture memory chips at lower cost in Japan. the Japanese
caught on very quickly and pretty soon US companies were screaming that
the Japanese were "dumping."

Today, Boeing is manufacturing key components to it's Dreamliner in
Japan.
Quite a bit of technology transfer going on there!

Today, the Japanese are very good at creating new consumer electronic
products. Unlike US companies that do market research to fool
themselves into believing that they know what the market wants, the
Japanese place several competitive products in the market at the same
time. They are constantly changing their product line, testing the
market and they have built companies that can change on a dime depending
on what the market wants.

Meanwhile 38% of our high school science and math teachers did not major
in those fields in college. Parents are doing a pretty good job of
persuading kids that algebra is really tough! Kids are more interested
in American Idol than getting the training that they need to get into
college, much less get a good job. Why do the hard work? Isn't
industry outsourcing all those jobs anyway?

There are some people who are trying to change things. Thousands of
volunteers turn out to wire schools for the Internet. Gates sponsors a
major grant program for applying computing technology in High Schools.
Kamen of Segway fame has used his personal fortune to sponsor robotic
competitions between high schools.

And, yes, I take some pride in helping to implement a project that
provided hands-on access to semiconductor technology to thousands of
students and researchers in the USA and is still in use today. I was
responsible for opening that access to small business. Tens of
thousands of innovations in the US have come out of that project that
would not have otherwise been possible. Check out http://mosis.edu/ I
also was part of building a multi university program which opened
research labs to US university students and faculty as well as small
start-up companies who could not otherwise afford the equipment or
staff. Check out http://www.nnin.org/

So, don't complain about the likes of me! I've earned the right to be
pissed when people like you take shots! What have you done?

End of rant!

It's not what I've done, but what I haven't done. I didn't give away
technology nor did I give away trade secrets learned while a consultant. I
didn't train those who took away my job. You can take your examples to
your nearby logic department and they will help you understand the bigger
picture (see the subject line). Your lack of character in not accepting
blame shows you are part of the problem. They may even help with your
misguided outrage, need to ignore the subject line and to blame others.

The topic is about increased use of immigrant programmers and engineers so
that we can continue to retire our folks as soon as they make more money
than the accountant that produces the checks. Our universities are the
source of this immigrant labor, yet they continue with professors
competing over the size of their research staff in the face of greatly
diminished results. The days of EE research in universities peaked long
ago. There is no advantage to the U.S. to continue with many of these make
work projects that only help our competitors. If half the research
assistants are foreign, than reduce the research professors by half and
send the foreigners home. The displaced professors are welcome to join
the rest of the early retirees they created. If education is harmed,
replace them with community college teachers for they will be more
effective in teaching undergraduates.

All of the things you mentioned above, are the result of decision "we" in America made and are making.

One last time, if the Japanese are good at producing quality products,
it's because of Dr Deming.

Yes, and he had to go to Japan to find someone willing to listen and adopt his ideas. Not a whole lot of people in the US were adopting what he was preaching back then. He would not have gone to Japan, if the busineeses in the United States, embraced his idea back then.

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