Re: before katrina

On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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No. They can enforce the order [to evacuate] at a local level. The police should have come in afterwards and picked up the deadheads.

Well, yes, they "can" enforce the order, but the fact is they do not enforce the order. So, what significance is it to say that they "can" enforce the order at the local level? Besides, I thought you just said in another part of this thread that was a federal responsibility....care to explain what I see as an inconsistency in the two statements?

The Feds need to pick up the stragglers. The police needs to take out the refuseniks. Isn't that clear?

If the "police" takes out the refuseniks, are there going to be any "stragglers"? And "if" there are any stragglers, which federal agency should pick up the "stragglers"?

Jerry, it's up to the police to tell the difference. Obviously, you can't.

No government was prepared to remove everyone from the city. These folks discuss that: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/5/S2/S396 The scene at the Superdome was planned as I read the above.

And that is the basic problem, i.e. no one is prepared to even have plans to remove everyone from the city. The Superdome is not my idea of evacuating a city.

The feds took too long to respond to evacuate the dome.

The "fed"? Who put them there in the first place.

Bad planning, but the best under the circumstances. The feds didn't respond here. That's the problem.

The real problem is that when the Mayor gives the mandatory order that late, then it is difficult for other agencies to act. But if they are prepared, then the evacuation can still happen. Many left prior to the order. The stragglers could still have been moved if the feds were prepared.

Okay, then "if" the Mayor gave the mandatory evacuation order too late, then it was his fault and not the fault of the federal government that people had "difficulty" getting out of Dodge and "other" agencies to act, which includes the federal goverment agencies? Again, which federal agency do you propose "should have" forced these people out of New Orleans?

Not necessarily. People still did evacuate without the order. Again the feds move the stragglers, the cops remove the refuseniks.

Come on, you cannot be serious. We have all seen where state government has issue so-called "mandatory evacuation orders" where some choose to ignore those orders. But I would agre with the statement that "if" they give a mandatory order to late, then obviously not everyone is going to be able to get out of Dodge. You keep blaming the feds, what about all those school buses we all saw on TV, up to the hub caps in water, still sitting in the parking areas? Are you saying that was a federal responsibility?

No the mayor gave the mandatory order. Those who could walk to the dome did so. Those that could not, soon found themselves in the next couple days dead or isolated on their roofs. The feds were the only ones who could bring in busses to move the people in the dome-- and Brownie took his own sweet time in doing so.

Staying the the city is not evacuating....why do you have such a difficult time understanding that basic concept.

No. Walking to the Dome is in the plan for those who can walk but can't drive. What's so difficult about that concept?

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