Re: before katrina


"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:

I would say that it is an "abdication" of the federal government, when
there is no meaning to the word "mandatory evacuation". What the words
means is the "government" really really want you to evacuate, but if
you do not evacuate, that is your choice. And then of course, we
expect the "Government" to go in and bail out those who did not obey
the mandatory evacuation order.... But to be fair, "if" the government
really meant what they said, i.e. you MUST evacuate, then it is also
their responsibility to provide the means for everyone to evacuate.

No. They can enforce the order at a local level. The police should have
come in afterwards and picked up the deadheads.

Well, yes, they "can" enforce the order, but the fact is they do not
enforce the order. So, what significance is it to say that they "can"
enforce the order at the local level? Besides, I thought you just said
in another part of this thread that was a federal responsibility....care
to explain what I see as an inconsistency in the two statements?

The Feds need to pick up the stragglers. The police needs to take out the
refuseniks. Isn't that clear?

If the "police" takes out the refuseniks, are there going to be any
"stragglers"? And "if" there are any stragglers, which federal agency
should pick up the "stragglers"?

No government was prepared to remove everyone from the city. These
folks discuss that:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/5/S2/S396
The scene at the Superdome was planned as I read the above.

And that is the basic problem, i.e. no one is prepared to even have plans
to remove everyone from the city. The Superdome is not my idea of
evacuating a city.

The feds took too long to respond to evacuate the dome.

The "fed"? Who put them there in the first place.

Which is the key reason we had the problem. No one HAD TO evaculate if
they did not want to, and SOME could not evacuate even if they wanted
to.

The real problem is that when the Mayor gives the mandatory order that
late, then it is difficult for other agencies to act. But if they are
prepared, then the evacuation can still happen. Many left prior to the
order. The stragglers could still have been moved if the feds were
prepared.

Okay, then "if" the Mayor gave the mandatory evacuation order too late, then
it was his fault and not the fault of the federal government that people had
"difficulty" getting out of Dodge and "other" agencies to act, which
includes the federal goverment agencies? Again, which federal agency do you
propose "should have" forced these people out of New Orleans?

Come on, you cannot be serious. We have all seen where state government
has issue so-called "mandatory evacuation orders" where some choose to
ignore those orders. But I would agre with the statement that "if" they
give a mandatory order to late, then obviously not everyone is going to
be able to get out of Dodge. You keep blaming the feds, what about all
those school buses we all saw on TV, up to the hub caps in water, still
sitting in the parking areas? Are you saying that was a federal
responsibility?

No the mayor gave the mandatory order. Those who could walk to the dome
did so. Those that could not, soon found themselves in the next couple
days dead or isolated on their roofs. The feds were the only ones who
could bring in busses to move the people in the dome-- and Brownie took
his own sweet time in doing so.

Staying the the city is not evacuating....why do you have such a difficult
time understanding that basic concept.


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Relevant Pages

  • Re: Mayor of NO on Today Show
    ... >>> the local and state governments should have provided ... and the local government did NOTHING! ... Except pass the warning on and make sure that everyone that could evacuate ... The Feds didn't do crap until the embarrassment was world-wide. ...
    (alt.autos.toyota)
  • Re: before katrina
    ... What the words means is the "government" really really want you to evacuate, but if you do not evacuate, that is your choice. ... we expect the "Government" to go in and bail out those who did not obey the mandatory evacuation order.... ... The stragglers could still have been moved if the feds were prepared. ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: why?
    ... >>> of Cuba who is going to ignore an edict from the government. ... the cops have no authority to "force" you to leave your house ... like we have seen in New Orleans. ... the Governor to "force" people to evacuate the city. ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: before katrina
    ... The Feds need to pick up the stragglers. ... The police needs to take out the refuseniks. ... The feds took too long to respond to evacuate the dome. ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: before katrina
    ... The Feds need to pick up the stragglers. ... The police needs to take out the refuseniks. ... The feds took too long to respond to evacuate the dome. ...
    (soc.retirement)