Re: before katrina
- From: "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 06:33:57 -1000
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:
"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:
I would say that it is an "abdication" of the federal government, when there is no meaning to the word "mandatory evacuation". What the words means is the "government" really really want you to evacuate, but if you do not evacuate, that is your choice. And then of course, we expect the "Government" to go in and bail out those who did not obey the mandatory evacuation order.... But to be fair, "if" the government really meant what they said, i.e. you MUST evacuate, then it is also their responsibility to provide the means for everyone to evacuate.
No. They can enforce the order at a local level. The police should have come in afterwards and picked up the deadheads.
Well, yes, they "can" enforce the order, but the fact is they do not enforce the order. So, what significance is it to say that they "can" enforce the order at the local level? Besides, I thought you just said in another part of this thread that was a federal responsibility....care to explain what I see as an inconsistency in the two statements?
The Feds need to pick up the stragglers. The police needs to take out the refuseniks. Isn't that clear?
No government was prepared to remove everyone from the city. These folks discuss that: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/5/S2/S396 The scene at the Superdome was planned as I read the above.
And that is the basic problem, i.e. no one is prepared to even have plans to remove everyone from the city. The Superdome is not my idea of evacuating a city.
The feds took too long to respond to evacuate the dome.
Which is the key reason we had the problem. No one HAD TO evaculate if they did not want to, and SOME could not evacuate even if they wanted to.
The real problem is that when the Mayor gives the mandatory order that late, then it is difficult for other agencies to act. But if they are prepared, then the evacuation can still happen. Many left prior to the order. The stragglers could still have been moved if the feds were prepared.
Come on, you cannot be serious. We have all seen where state government has issue so-called "mandatory evacuation orders" where some choose to ignore those orders. But I would agre with the statement that "if" they give a mandatory order to late, then obviously not everyone is going to be able to get out of Dodge. You keep blaming the feds, what about all those school buses we all saw on TV, up to the hub caps in water, still sitting in the parking areas? Are you saying that was a federal responsibility?
No the mayor gave the mandatory order. Those who could walk to the dome did so. Those that could not, soon found themselves in the next couple days dead or isolated on their roofs. The feds were the only ones who could bring in busses to move the people in the dome-- and Brownie took his own sweet time in doing so.
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